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| [urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/superleague/news_item.php?id=19219[/url
England’s 24-man squad for the 2010 Gillette Four Nations Series:
Backs: R Atkins (Warrington), T Briscoe (Hull), K Brown (Huddersfield), T Clubb (Harlequins), L Cudjoe (Huddersfield), D Goulding (Wigan), R Hall (Leeds), L Robinson (Huddersfield), S Tomkins (Wigan), M Shenton (Castleford), G Widdop (Melbourne).
Forwards: S Burgess (South Sydney), E Crabtree (Huddersfield), G Ellis (Wests Tigers), S Fielden (Wigan), J Graham (St Helens), D Griffin (Huddersfield), B Harrison (Warrington), S Lunt (Huddersfield), A Morley (Warrington, capt), S O’Loughlin (Wigan), J Roby (St Helens), J Tomkins (Wigan), B Westwood (Warrington).
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| the forwards are immense....i'm very worried about the backs though
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| Can't help but think we look light in the backs............
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| 1. Widdop
2. Goulding
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Hall
6. S. Tomkins
7. K. Brown
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Morley
11. Burgess
12. Ellis
13. O'Loughlin
14. Robinson
15. Fielden
16. Crabtree
17. J. Tomkins
I just don't know where to play Sam Tomkins. 1, 6 or 7?
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| we're taking ONE recognised scrum half.....
my team from that list..
1. widdop
2. briscoe
3. atkins
4. j tomkins
5. hall
6. s tomkins
7. f**k knows...luke robinson should'nt even be on the plane
8. morley
9. roby
10 graham
11. ellis
12. burgess
13. o'loughlin
14. lunt
15. crabtree
16. griffin
17. westwood,harrison or clubb
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"we're taking ONE recognised scrum half.....
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Who would you have taken instead? I do agree though, the lack of an organisational presence seems worrying.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"Who would you have taken instead? I do agree though, the lack of an organisational presence seems worrying.'"
i'd have taken myler instead of stu fielden
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| Tomkins at 1 for me. From that I'll go for
tomkins
goulding
shenton
atkins
hall
brown
Robinson
Morley
roby
graham
burgess
Ellis
oloughlin
Westwood
j. Tomkins
Lunt
crabtree
everyone is probably terrified at the apperent "lightness" and youth of the backs but Brian smith who will be helpin out is great with young talent and can guide these players to improving further.
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| I thought that Wigan should have had more than 5 players considering the season they have had. In particular I am very surprised that Gleeson is not in and can only imagine that Gleesons past has counted him out because his form certainly warrants him being called up. I am also very surprised to see 6 Huddersfield players in the squad, a team that finished 5th, and the inclusions of Brown, Robinson and Lunt.
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| Do we even have a goal kicker in this squad?
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"i'd have taken myler instead of stu fielden'"
So you feel that Robinson hasn't done enough to warrant being on the plane but Myler has? Interesting, I'd say Myler has done less than Robinson this year.
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| '" 14. lunt
15. crabtree
16. griffin
17. westwood,harrison or clubb'"
I agree with your 1-13 and understand exactly what you are saying about 7, hell i can't believe Burrow wasn't in with a shout, more than Robinson simply due to how Burrow at times can make unpredictable things happen and not because Luke is a poor player, i think he's had a good season.
And Fielden doesn't even make it on the bench?
Surely that can't be right, he's been streets ahead of Griffin and Crabtree this season....
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"So you feel that Robinson hasn't done enough to warrant being on the plane but Myler has? Interesting, I'd say Myler has done less than Robinson this year.'"
do you feel its right that we go on tour down under with just 1 recognised number 7?...
fine robinson makes the trip...so does myler in place of stu fielden
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| Is Robinson the guy who played in Australia in 2006? Played in the centres for at least one game against Australia? If it is, I hope he's improved immensely. If not, who am I thinking of?
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| Quote ="dan1978uk"
And Fielden doesn't even make it on the bench?
Surely that can't be right, he's been streets ahead of Griffin and Crabtree this season....'"
c'mon fielden's been getting hammered all season off everyone....it's only been the past couple of month he's started to show what he used to do 5 years ago...
fielden will be targeted.....him getting levelled by willie mason will be shown 10 times aday,he'll be reminded of it in every press conference (if someone is stupid enough to put him in one in the first place)...it's took him 4 bloody years to get over it..
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| Quote ="Wire In The Final"Weesstwood'"
Yes Westwood is a kicker but with the strength in the second row is unlikely to be on the filed for the full game and i cannot see another kicker except maybe Cudjoe but he again is unlikely to start.
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| Quote ="CGD"Is Robinson the guy who played in Australia in 2006? Played in the centres for at least one game against Australia? If it is, I hope he's improved immensely. If not, who am I thinking of?'"
Not sure who you are thinking of but is is not Robinson.
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| Just looked it up, it was Richard Horne I was thinking of. Apologies to Robinson.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"we're taking ONE recognised scrum half.....
my team from that list..
1. widdop
2. briscoe
3. atkins
4. j tomkins
5. hall
6. s tomkins
7. f**k knows...luke robinson should'nt even be on the plane
8. morley
9. roby
10 graham
11. ellis
12. burgess
13. o'loughlin
14. lunt
15. crabtree
16. griffin
17. westwood,harrison or clubb'"
Luke has played most of the season at 9 and done so very effectively. I do not think there are many better English 9s. Given that the other hookers in the squad - Roby and Lunt - play in a similar style and our strength lies in our pack I think Robbo will have a fair crack at 9.
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| No Sinfield? Westwood won't always be on the pitch so we may go short for goal kicking.
I'd go with Tomkins FB, still learning the role but offers so much in attack. Really struggling in the backs so we need some spark.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"c'mon fielden's been getting hammered all season off everyone....it's only been the past couple of month he's started to show what he used to do 5 years ago...
fielden will be targeted.....him getting levelled by willie mason will be shown 10 times aday,he'll be reminded of it in every press conference (if someone is stupid enough to put him in one in the first place)...it's took him 4 bloody years to get over it..'"
Fielden's been Wigan's best prop by a distance this year and the best prop on the field in most games. He should definitely be in the team.
Also Gleeson should have been in but all in all pretty good squad from the players available. Not holding out much hope though.
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| It seems obvious to me that McNamara will play Tompkins and Brown together in the halves (as he did against the French) – which leaves Widdop at full back
From that squad, I would go with
Widdop
Briscoe
Shenton
Atkins
Hall
Brown
Tomkins
Graham
Roby
Morley
Ellis
Westwood
O’louhghlin
Burgess
Lunt
Harrison/Tomkins
Crabtree
Unlike most, I think that Briscoe and Hall have the physical game to counter the Aussies/Kiwi’s. Centre is a worry but at least Atkins is physically pretty capable
It will definitely be a tournament where a lot of the squad get a game – with (hopefully) four internationals played over four weekends... I don’t see too many weak links in the squad
I can’t wait now... bring on a month of international rugby league
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| Where has Gareth Widdop been playing this year ? Could only find 3 apps for Storm 1st grade, has he been playing for a feeder club somewhere ??
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| I can't look. I get off at watching car crashes but this tour is one step too far for me.
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