Parramatta, St George, Brisbane, Canberra and Roosters all fined.

Get them all to the bottom of the league on zero points

I wonder if there are any in the Superleague that are employing the same methods?

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I'm sure I heard one of the NRL fans say that Brisbane were well under the cap and were after Inglis?

You would of thought they are with a very young squad and with hunt gone and folau going they should be able to get GI next year, do the charges relate to this year or previous surley its previous.

I think it's 2009 looking at the op.

Oh aye didnt see the Link.

theyve lost folau for next year so theyll have the money from then

plus letting some older players go too

they should all have the same treatment the storm went thru,to teach them a lesson.

Storm's was a little different though wasn't it. I don't really know what has happened with these clubs but I imagine it's quite easy for an oversight to nudge you over the cap. Melbourne however had two seperate accounts which is blatently cheating.

Cheating is cheating,wether it be million over the cap or 100k...

Doing 35 in a 30 zone is speeding but won'etcet you the same punishment as doing 70

doing 35 in a 30 zone is ok, until you go another 5 more....

To prove cheating, you have to be able to prove it was deliberate.

The Storm case clearly was, are these?

so a few k over the salary cap is ok as long as it's not a few more.

If it was OK, they wouldn't have been fined.

Amazed this hasn't been pointed out before...or maybe I haven't seen it, but surely, if you own a business, you know exactly how much your wage bill is?
Even if you take into account, win bonus payments, try/kick bonus payments etc, you have a budget at the start of the year and your accounts department, together with HR know exactly who is getting paid what on a weekly/fortnightly/monthly basis....therefore, it should prove impossible to be over the cap. Furthermore, it should be impossible to be accidently over the cap......ie, a player received too much money in a particular wage run, this needs to be adjusted the following week....it really isn't brain surgery.
FWIW, any club, no matter who they are, who spends 1 cent or 1 penny more than they are allowed to under the rules of the competition should be punnished in the same way as the storm. Theft is theft, crown jewels or stick of rock...if you nick it, you are a thief and if you breach the cap, you are a cheat. The minor punnishments handed out to these cheats may well open up the Storm can of worms again, given that they could argue they were over punnished for the same offences. Just because they were winners, they were made an example of, yet these other transgressors have been pretty much let off.

If the game wants to be taken seriously, then it needs to stop worrying about defectors and concentrate on getting a higher cap and enforcing it........ie, 1 cent over payment = the same fine as 1 million over it. I can't think of any other business where there are accidental overpayments that aren't immediately spotted and reconciled.

I think "accidental" overpayments can partly be explained by bonuses within players contracts, extra payments for international selection, number of first team games played etc. Items which the club has less control over than a fixed weekly wage.

Like any business, the clubs must surely forecast and budget for these "payments".

At the start of the year, I have 30 staff I control the budget for. I have a finite amount of money I am allowed spend on these staff members, with the sales guys commission potential capped. As an alternative to uncapped commission, I am allowed increase basic salaries for the FOLLOWING Year if I have star performers, but I can't spend 1 cent over my budget. If I have star performers, I will also have people who can't cut the mustard.....and therefore, they go, freeing up the money for these annual pay increases.
So, if an NRL club thinks that international caps, bonuses etc will impact on their budget, they should adjust them accordingly. Instead of overspending, they may well end up with asurplus which they can use to reward their stars, rather than overpaying them.
I still say that no other Business operates in such a way that they can overspend on wages........and to those that say if you restrict the earning potential of stars they will jump codes...so what? People change jobs for better money all the time....I know I have, but that is a discussion about the size of the cap, not breaching it.

you are then free to dish it as you see fit , there are no excuses

Jesus...if someone from Leigh can figure it out, then even people from Cronulla should find it simple


Sorry.....but breach of the cap is breach of the cap...no matter how it happened and all breaches should be treated accordingly....especially Wigan

Fair enough. Then why does it happen?

Didn't Saints get caught out a few years ago because of a slight overspend explained at the time as being due to payment of bonuses due to international selection?

I don't know how RL players contracts are structured but I imagine that with fixed salaries and capped commission it is fairly easy to operate within a fixed budget.

The bonus payments are part of the problem. And it's okay to say that clubs should forecast potential bonus payments and take the maximum value of these payments into account. But when some involve rep payments it makes it hard. If every player received a bonus for playing rep football and every player somehow made a rep side that might be a huge amount to take into account. It's not reasonable to expect a club to forecast that every single player will play rep football and therefore they need to account for rep bonuses for 25 players or more. So they probably account for some bonuses for rep footy, but not the absolute potential maximum amount that could be required. If they have had to pay $20,000 in bonuses for every year for five years they will probably budget for about that amount. But then one year they might get twice as many players picked for rep sides and have to fork out twice the bonsues, which is more than they bargained for. It's still their mistake and they are fined for it. It doesn't mean they are loathsome cap cheats that should be shot at dawn though.

But the main reason clubs go over the cap in minor ways is because of third party agreements. Players are allowed to earn money outside the game but only if these payments are not linked to the club. So sponsors of the club can't use a player to promote their product and then pay the player additional money to do so. This money would have to count on the cap. But where some clubs come unstuck is in the interpretation of what is an acceptable third party payment and what is not. Each situation can be different and clubs will sometimes claim that a third party payment is legit while the salary cap auditor will disagree. It might all depend on how strong the link between the club and the company involved is. The main thing is that the club reports these payments. The auditor will either agree that they are okay or disagree and add those figures to the salary total. If it pushes the club over the limit they can be fined.

Rep payments would need to be declared to the governing body prior to any season and they then become the governing bodies problem , as for 3 rd party payments , then same as , all it requires is for the club to contact the governing body and ask , if they dont they risk exceeding the cap