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| Was just hoping to get some fairly unbiased opinions of Tom Briscoes performance today...
I thought he was left out to dry by Smith and Mc Guire as do a few other hull fans, obviously the rovers fans disagree, but i was just interested in getting some other opinions.
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| Briscoe didn't do anything wrong, it was that waste of space kick & crap player he had as a centre and his partner in crime McGuire that made all the errors.
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| Bemused as to why he was sacrificed. Cleared his lines well and for Eastmond to be brought in, Eastmond to fullback with the other Briscoe iut was the obvious answer for mine.
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| They could have sorted the problem in a couple of ways without even wasting a sub:
S. Briscoe to centre, Smith to FB
T. Briscoe to centre, Smith to the wing.
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| On a number of occasions Briscoe was left to hang out there by his centre and the rest of the England side that got sucked in by the Australian's dominant attack.
Briscoe had a choice to go for either the man with the ball, or does he rely on his centre to close the gap in time, which didn't happen I'm afraid.
For that reason alone I think he was taken off. You could argue all night that he might not have done anything wrong, but I think Australia targeted that right side because of his inexperience.
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| I didn't think Briscoe did anything wrong tbh. Our Right was peppered and he returned the ball as expected.He'll learn from the experience and hopefully fill Smith's defection.
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| Nothing visibly wrong with what we saw, but that side defence did improve after the change. Edge defence often relies on the winger making calls, perhaps that was the problem?
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| Tom Briscoe = Tony Smiths latest Scapegoat...
I'd still go with Lee Smith on the Wing in the last game over him though...
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| No pace whatsoever. Shouldn't have been taken off.
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| Hasn't Smith been shouting how he likes playing centre ?. Maybe he'll shut up now.
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| Quote ="The Joker®"Tom Briscoe = Tony Smiths latest Scapegoat...
I'd still go with Lee Smith on the Wing in the last game over him though...'"
Thats what Smith will pick next week. Thing is when they go over the match video I am not sure what Tom did wrong? Didint chase back the kicks fast enough? Bit harsh if so however I reckon the pause button is constantly on for the missed tackles by his centre.
Its a harsh lesson for the kid.
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| He did nothing wrong and certainly wasnt at any fault for any of the tries. If anyone was substituted then it should have been Smith.
Saying that I dont think he is ready for this level and was very surprised when he was picked. However as I said he did nothing wrong today, or last week for that matter.
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| Quote ="RobotMonster"No pace whatsoever. Shouldn't have been taken off.'"
Tom Briscoe ? Was gaining on Inglis. The Smith should of been taken off or McGuire with Eastmond replacing them.
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| Tom Briscoe was given no chance due to the ineptity of Lee Smith, but yet the young man gets the blame for it and is subbed. Not saying Briscoe wasn't poor, but he was given zero chance and was the scapegoat.
His confidence must be shattered, nice one Smith.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"They could have sorted the problem in a couple of ways without even wasting a sub:
S. Briscoe to centre, Smith to FB
T. Briscoe to centre, Smith to the wing.'"
How many international games have you managed?
How many games have you coached?
Easy to say ''....he should of'' after the horse has bolted.
Personally thought Briscoe had reasonable stint on the pitch, the bit where he knocked the ball back into play to avoid 40/20 kick was good quick thinking.He will be wiser for the experience. Maybe only in the England setup because there isn't too many other quality English centres / wingers available.
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| Hope he doesn't take it to heart - no problem with him, It was the Simth and Smith farce that was a problem!
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| Quote ="vb1981"How many international games have you managed?
How many games have you coached?
Easy to say ''....he should of'' after the horse has bolted.
Personally thought Briscoe had reasonable stint on the pitch, the bit where he knocked the ball back into play to avoid 40/20 kick was good quick thinking.He will be wiser for the experience. Maybe only in the England setup because there isn't too many other quality English centres / wingers available.'"
I've coached games for a few years now and I called it after the first try where Smith was in no mans land something should have been changed and it just showed Tony Smith's ineptness as an international coach doing nothing at all about it and his decision not to do anything about it until half time is what cost England the game.
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| I have gotta say i have not been impressed with Smiths man management so far.
last week he took Moore off after a couple of mistakes ( but he seemed a bit out of it after a heavy tackle) and then did not bring him back on.
This week he takes off Briscoe who did nothing wrong and leaves two players on Smith and Mc Guire who were defensive liabilities.
I hope he does not screw up the confidence of two potentially very good players who could be England players for a long time.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"I've coached games for a few years now and I called it after the first try where Smith was in no mans land something should have been changed and it just showed Tony Smith's ineptness as an international coach doing nothing at all about it and his decision not to do anything about it until half time is what cost England the game.'" who have you coached and by the way no player in this earth would have stoped a couple of those Aussie trys.
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| The only ting Briscoe should have done was to go towards Inglis when he made the break in the first half, first and foremost, the danger is the guy who is carrying the ball. He should have come off his wing and tried to close down Inglis.
Apart from that he did nothing at all wrong, and didnt deserve to be taken off at all.
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| Briscoe will learn, he got left out to dry when our defence stayed rooted in the middle of the pitch several times, I agree, Lee Smith and McGuire where of no help to him what so ever.
He played right in front of us in the East stand, he got a knock with about 7 minutes left in the first half, didnt look bad, but the lad was in some discomfort.
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| Quote ="Victoria tiger"who have you coached and by the way no player in this earth would have stoped a couple of those Aussie trys.'"
If a try can be scored, a try can be stopped.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"I've coached games for a few years now and I called it after the first try where Smith was in no mans land something should have been changed and it just showed Tony Smith's ineptness as an international coach doing nothing at all about it and his decision not to do anything about it until half time is what cost England the game.'"
I have to agree, high in the stand you could see our poor defence structure, our right hand side was shot to bits, they had two extra men down that side several times, the Aussies used the same moves 12 months ago, Tony Smith has learned nothing from that mauling.
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| An unbaised opinion would be that he showed his lack of experience. He was not invloved in the defence at all, when other wingers would have pushed in and condensed the space he stayed glued to the touchline. I rate him as a player and I think he has a big future ahead, but he's not ready yet and his lack of game time this year really showed.
You can bag Lee Smith all you want but for some inexplicable reason he there was no second row on the right side of defence leaving him alone against what the Aussies regard as a centre who is better than Mal Meninga. You wouldn't have that formation at SL club level let alone against Greg Inglis and Billy Slater.
Tony Smith made the right correction at half time. A shame he didn't do it after 20 minutes.
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| The young lad did nothing wrong all time he was on pitch.
The defence was pretty shocking on briscoes side by IMO the wrong defensive line.
Why did tony smith have mcguire outside smith?
Smith was defending inside mcguire which confussed our defensive line.
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