It's just a shame it's the union lot! m.skysports.com/article/rugbyunion//9126734

It's just a shame it's the union lot! m.skysports.com/article/rugbyunion//9126734

Quote ="salford sport"It's just a shame it's the union lot! m.skysports.com/article/rugbyunion//9126734'" So the RFU have allowed an increase in salary cap and allowed a marquee players wages to be excluded from the salary cap figures...much like the NRL.... Did the good doctor consult for them too? The superleague has been losing its best talent for years whilst other organisations have made developments to keep theirs. Koukash isn't some sort of pioneer, he's just someone else who has piped up and suggested that the superleague should do more to keep its marquee players.

Quote ="salford sport"It's just a shame it's the union lot! m.skysports.com/article/rugbyunion//9126734'" So the RFU have allowed an increase in salary cap and allowed a marquee players wages to be excluded from the salary cap figures...much like the NRL.... Did the good doctor consult for them too? The superleague has been losing its best talent for years whilst other organisations have made developments to keep theirs. Koukash isn't some sort of pioneer, he's just someone else who has piped up and suggested that the superleague should do more to keep its marquee players.

Blame Gutterfax and William Eve for this thread

Forget it, as long as clubs like Wakefield and Castleford have a say, that's clubs with zero ambition btw, then it won't happen.

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Gotta increase the salary cap in SL, especially with all this money swashing about at club level. If Bradford had been allowed to stretch themselves even further by paying out larger wages then maybe, just maybe they may not be in the mess they are now.

You got a new job at KPMG? ,or KMPG, well you know who I mean

Seems like Bradford were denied a Grade 'A' licence so had to make do with a Grade 'B' one instead

If anyone read part of the article it would show that you could increase the SL salary cap by x 3 and we would still be behind RU.

So is anyone suggesting that paying 3 times the amount of money we already do for the same players (as those who follow the money will still play RU or NRL as their cap is higher), is going to improve the game???

Will paying John Wilkin 3 times his current wage make him a better player, will it pull in more fans to pay this bill?

I'm not actually a fan of the cap as I think it does little to manage clubs over expenditure. But this false economy of thinking that just paying more will solve anything is crazy.

Let Salford spend £1billion a year, they will have the best team by far, but the 10,000 fans they may get will still not cover the wage bill at it's current level.

We have to increase revenue before we can increase expenditure.

Give me a break even rule any day and allow those who want to throw money away to do so. Now some little clubs like Warrington and Salford have caught up. Some of their fans are wanting to spend even more to see how quickly they can go bust. I say let them and watch the fans drip away when after a few years splurge the bills come in and the revenue can't match the outlay.

It's Wigan all over again, they had the best team for years and years and years, but even their far larger fan base could not support the outlay. Same as Bradford, Saints etc etc.

Increase revenue and then pay what ever you like to match that increased revenue, but not beyond.

You'll get burnt at the stake for that type of heresy around here

I agree to a certain extent (it's still worth remembering that union squads are twice the size of league so 3x the cap and 2x the players but your still right in that point)

I think the cap should at least be allowed to grow with inflation, we've lost £500,000 in "real" value from the cap since 2006 - will paying jon Wilkin less make him a better player?

Growing with inflation, shouldn't affect expenditure and income balances (after all, as inflation increases so SHOULD the incoming money) and is a reasonable compromise for those against raising the cap beyond the means of ... Less ambitious clubs.

I believe the current exemptions in place should have a major effect on the future landscape of the cap. The home grown cap should shake things up - and will generally reward the better organised teams anyway.

Agree a lot about revenue though. In my opinion there should be rewards for reaching certain milestones - reach £5million revenue and have 1 marquee signing exemption (up to say 500k), £10million 2 marquee of 500k or a million pound player (somewhat unlikely in the current climate as I don't think anyone in the world is that value but you get the picture) £20million 3 marquee etc etc (or whatever is reasonable I have no idea what the average revenue of a super league team is)

In theory not a bad idea, but what is to stop Dr K getting his company to pay Salford 10,000,000 a year for shirt sponsorship and then having SBW and Slater on the books and off the cap?

As for the average turn over of a SL club, London Turned over 4,400,000 in 2012 spending the full cap. They made a loss of 2.2 million on that



I believe 5million is about the norm for a mid/bottom level club...towards the top you get into the 8-10 million bracket.

Absolutely nothing wrong with koukash paying Salford for shirt sponsorship or whatever, the important thing would be that money isn't in directors loans, and should he get uppity and leave, the money will still be there to cushion his departure.

On that info, potentially set the targets a little higher. I think it's a little difficult to set targets for profit, in that as an industry, sport has very few clubs who actually run successfully at a profit. Increasing revenue is the key, so work on that before figuring out how to bribe the clubs to decrease costs :p

Like the way SL seems to be heading, and sport in UK generally they are built on a house of cards at the whim of investors. This model is screwed long term in all likelihood, I'll enjoy watch English union clubs pushing themselves into administration trying to keep up with the few with big backers following this decision to spend what they aren't earning. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... apses.html

Like the way SL seems to be heading, and sport in UK generally they are built on a house of cards at the whim of investors. This model is screwed long term in all likelihood, I'll enjoy watch English union clubs pushing themselves into administration trying to keep up with the few with big backers following this decision to spend what they aren't earning. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... apses.html

There should be a salary cap to limit the harm clubs can do to themselves by over spending, but it shouldn't limit people like Koucash who have money that they want to throw at the game.

I've said before, if clubs find outside investors to contribute to (and guarantee) players contracts, they should be able to count that amount outside the salary cap.

The game needs a shot in the arm, especially if teams like Salford are trying to spark extra attendance.

There's one man before any other that could boost Salford's crowds instantly and that SBW. If Koucash could afford to add him to the current squad, even for 1 year, it would be a massive boost for the club and the sport.

Once Koucash is off the leash and playing Billy Big Balls, the likes of Moran and Pearson will step up, soon after, the more conservative men of substance like McManus, Leneghan and Hetherington will be finding backers to help boost their squad wages. The important thing is that, if these guys ever decide to walk away, the club isn't left with wage bills they can't pay.

We are long overdue an increase in the salary cap, some clubs are properly being held back from making the game top drawer, the salary cap was brought in when really only 1 club had the money to buy everyone, now we have many clubs who can buy in from Unions/NRLs best talent

Quote ="JB Down Under"Like the way SL seems to be heading, and sport in UK generally they are built on a house of cards at the whim of investors. This model is screwed long term in all likelihood, I'll enjoy watch English union clubs pushing themselves into administration trying to keep up with the few with big backers following this decision to spend what they aren't earning. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... apses.html'" Wasps, like many English sports clubs have been living on borrowed time for close to 10 years now and the losses are not sustainable. They will fold and will not be missed, as some other club will step up... Interesting that the report reckons they lose 2 million a year.....I'd say it's a lot more than that...London Broncos managed to lose 2 million a year with half the wasps wage bill....

Quote ="JB Down Under"Like the way SL seems to be heading, and sport in UK generally they are built on a house of cards at the whim of investors. This model is screwed long term in all likelihood, I'll enjoy watch English union clubs pushing themselves into administration trying to keep up with the few with big backers following this decision to spend what they aren't earning. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... apses.html'" Wasps, like many English sports clubs have been living on borrowed time for close to 10 years now and the losses are not sustainable. They will fold and will not be missed, as some other club will step up... Interesting that the report reckons they lose 2 million a year.....I'd say it's a lot more than that...London Broncos managed to lose 2 million a year with half the wasps wage bill....

Sale are another club that hemmorage money, but the backer sticks and they survive.

I don't understand the mentality of benefactors like David Hughes who ploughs 2 million a year into a black hole with little (if any) of it invested in building a lasting Legacy.
At least Ken Davy has tried to boost attendances and revenue streams at Huddersfield, but you have to fear for them once he is no longer there.

Newcastle must be shipping cash by the bucket load.....and with the biggest cap in world Rugby, most of the French clubs must have frightening balance sheets too.

Salford may well be a test of this "new investor" mentality. If the crowds don't materialise, I wonder how long Dr K will be happy to sink millions into the club?

Thanks for the limited info. Genuine question - if only about £1,700,000 was spent on the first team squad, what on earth did the other £4,900,000 get spent on? Sounds a lot.

The plight of Wasps RU shows that clubs that own their own grounds have a more stable asset base. All Wasps have are players they can't afford. Clubs like Featherstone (that own their own ground) have chance of prospering over the years under the new structure in UK RL.

I'd scrap the salary cap and just have a requirement that most of the squad named for a match should be "home grown". There needs to be clear and strict penalties for clubs suffering insolvency events.

Directors need to run their clubs responsibly. Top players deserve and earn their money. But RL club directors are lucky - to retain full-time players they don't really need to pay more than say double what a player could earn in a normal day job based on his actual or prospective trade outside the game.

If there has to be a salary cap (which, as well as being a flawed concept, costs an awful lot to administer not to mention clubs circumventing it anyway) I'd have an exception that says clubs can spend whatever amount above the cap they want so long as that amount is first injected into the entity owning the club in the form of share capital.

Surely, with the attraction of the 3 x 8 structure, sponsors will be throwing money at the game, so we can increase the cap x 2

That is so very easy to say for you at Warrington seeing as you have a lovely stadium, excellent players and a sugar daddy whilst we at Cas ( Wakey too ) are not exactly rolling in money. Both our clubs have ambition but we can only go so far with what we have. It wasn't too long ago that Warrington were in a not very good shape but I suppose once you are in the money it's easy to look down on us that don't have it isn't it ?

That. Is. Amazing.

That is putting it very mildly indeed.

Wow. Short memories in Warrington?