The downward pressure in this instance can only come from his forearm as hand is under the ball ,with the body lurching forward.His bloody forearm is vertical so is the VR saying his belly supplies sufficient downward pressure I agree saddened along with what constitutes a forward pass 'downward pressure' has become a joke.I think control of ball should mean control,hand on top not friction from wrist hairs.

I don't like it but every rule has issues.
Where is the certain black and white line with control.
Where does the hand start and end?

There are lots of debating points.

For me sinfields 40/20 is far more telling he does not kick that and Saints are odds on to win

I think sgtwilko's comments are going over a few people's heads.

No one is ignoring that, hence it being a thread about whether the rules as they are now should be looked at. As the rules stand you can reach to ground the ball, lose control and have it roll up the back of your hand and fall off the side and it would be a try technically. Ten years ago that kind of nonsense wasn't there, all the daft ones we've seen all season would have been disallowed. You should have to have control of the ball and create downward pressure.

Think about it.

The rules now allow for black and white decisions to be made. If some part of the arm/hand/finger maintain contact with the ball until it touches the ground...try. No room for interpretation. Doesn't matter if it takes super zoom or if it's a finger tip.

As soon as you start bringing things like ''full control'' and ''downward pressure from hand'' that's when you will get dodgy decisions based on interpretation, because alot of these are inbetween and 50/50. But under current rules it's black and white and we are getting consistency in the decisions.

Because you can bet if you start bringing the above into the rulings people will moan even more due to inconsistency that will result.

People are idiots.

You can't get more conclusive or black & white than a rule of "hand on the ball" when grounding for it to be a try. None of this wrist/forearm nonsense. If that ball is in your hand and rolls out and is only touching your wrist when it hits the ground, it's a knock on anywhere else on the pitch and it should be in goal too.