If it’s a championship 1 wide issue tends to point to a sponsorship related issue I guess. But it comes back to usual issue with cha-lo Poor communications. A simple statement saying theirs a delay would be a lot better than just silence which seems to be their default stance when anything doesn’t go to plan.

"Meanwhile, a deal that will see the Tigers sign Callum Bustin is set to be completed imminently. The 20-year-old has been at the club since June on a trial basis but is set to sign a permanent deal. Upon completion of the deal, the centre is due to join Bradford Bulls on a season-long loan. Bustin was released by London Broncos before landing an opportunity at the Tigers." www.totalrl.com/castleford-force ... ghts-home/

"Meanwhile, a deal that will see the Tigers sign Callum Bustin is set to be completed imminently. The 20-year-old has been at the club since June on a trial basis but is set to sign a permanent deal. Upon completion of the deal, the centre is due to join Bradford Bulls on a season-long loan. Bustin was released by London Broncos before landing an opportunity at the Tigers." www.totalrl.com/castleford-force ... ghts-home/

North Wales Crusaders have - I just cannot work out what is on the right sleeve.

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**sigh** another loan player then



Is that three loan players in the squad now? Hopefully we'll get a few more permanent signings before the season gets started...

I'm hoping the shirts are out in time for Christmas, I was hoping for one with my name on the back

Agree entirely. And it happens far too often for it to be dismissed as a one off.

Incidentally Whitehaven have just revealed one of their shirts too. So League 1 clubs clearly are free to do so.

Revealed of on sale?

After this season ‘reveal’ that didn’t match the actual shirt, I think I’d rather wait until they are delivered.

Roger, Are you hoping Santa Clause is one of our secret RAB members (alongside Duffy, AC, RHP et etc.)

Well Whitehaven have just released there shirt.

Only for preorder so far, and the picture shows none of the sponsors

Season ticket collection day is the 10th December.
I think if that comes and goes without even a sniff of the new shirt then we can start to panic / get the pitchforks out.

I don't think I've put my pitchfork away since 2012.

As a kit supplier that's supplying a current Championship club, I can tell you that we've got the 2018 shirts on sale now.
The RFL don't currently have a sponsor for either the Championship or League 1, and are apparently in talks with one now, but waiting around for that isn't an option for us (all be it we're a smaller company that ISC etc.)
They have provided us with the new logo's for both competitions, but could add a sponsor to them at some point. I was happy to proceed with what I had.
Supplying these clubs costs money and if you lose the pre-Christmas sales, you're behind the 8 ball straight away.

Yes, it would be nice - though I'm not too fussed about whole-year deals. That said, the last "year long" deal we got from Cas didn't last too long, as I recall.

There are no definite one year loans. AFAIK all loans are one month and then are weekly after that unless another one month deal is signed. Players can be recalled after each one month period if the parent club wishes. Larroyer was on a year long loan and look how that turned out. A parent club may say that the deal is "season long" but once they hit Easter or an injury crisis we all know what will happen.

I really don't like having to rely on loan players at all since as we saw last year they often do not train fully with the core squad. If they're only getting the odd game then that's just about ok but if these lads are playing a regular part it's not good. Loan players are not going to be as committed as fully signed up players.

Are you sure? I thought season long loans were possible and even preferred in some cases because they have salary cap implications. Hull KR's loan players last year spring to mind.

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section C1:2:18 covers this. Its not strictly true that its RFL rules that say any loan can be cancelled after 28 days. What it says is that any loan an be cancelled after 28 days if EITHER both clubs and the player mutually agree to this OR a clause allowing this was put in the original loan agreement betwen the clubs. Its the latter case which is more likely and Id suspect is pretty much standard practise to put a recall clause in these days.

The minimum 28 days BEFORE recall is possible is the RFL clause that the clubs have no control over.

Cheers Mat. Thanks for clarifying. So it's up to the clubs. If a parent club decide they want to recall any of their loan players after 28 days they can. We have no comebacks.

Only if the clause is in there. That Hudds player we got (I've forgotten his name) seems to have the clause in his deal because Huddersfield explicitly mentioned the recall option. Not sure if that is standard practice across the board or not, but I suspect it probably is.

It was mentioned in the Mikey Wood article that Huddersfield released.

I suspect it is standard practice, the only time the clause tends to not be included is in the cases where a player is clearly no longer welcome at their parent club. Zak Hardaker for example, he couldn't be recalled. Partially because Cas had paid a fee for the loan deal (I think), partially because Leeds wanted rid of him, they just wouldn't release him without a transfer fee.

I suspect Rangi's loan to Widnes will have been the case. Cas will have had no intention of recalling him, so they make sure the loan deal has no recall and they can't be lumbered with his wages later in the season.

Thinking about it, as has been said already, the salary cap is likely to be a deciding factor. Say for example Hudds were at the top of their salary cap last year and suddenly for one reason or another, Hull KR decide they don't want Jamie Ellis any more, don't want to pay him, so send him back. Suddenly Hudds are having to pay his wages too and are up a certain creek with the RFL. (This is pure example by the way). In that case, if the parent club didn't want to risk getting the player back because of the cap, they would only loan him if the loan could not be terminated part way through.

Well hopefully some more signings are around the corner so we're not too reliant.

I suspect the recall clauses are can only be activated by Parent clubs and not by club receiving the loan. eg they can recall player if they have an injury crisis but we can't send them back if we decide they arent needed.

That would explain why we were lumbered with Cameron Smith for far too long last season...

Seriously, I think recall clauses are purely just one of those things the clubs agree on as part of the loan deal. It can be any combination of who can or can't recall that they want, they just agree it when they arrange the deal.

Salford have just announced the signing of one of Fiji’s world cup players. It says in the article he played in all their world cup games and only played twice for Gold Coast Titans before that. They say he could make his debut as early as Jan in their pre-season games subject to visa arrival.

Is this the start of many world cup signings being announced by English clubs? Presumably if Chalmers was “all over” the world cup as he said he would be then we may be making some announcements soon? Doubt it would be anyone that has actually played for an NRL club but if they played 3 times for their country then they should get a visa right?

Hope so.