Sorry I was referring more in terms of if people wanted to get out of paying (Skint or whatever).......

Regardless it's going to be packed next season, seriously how many people are going to be attracted back (including people like me who could only goto about 7 or 8 games last season due to work commitments). This season even if that's all I can make it to it's a good deal and who knows I might be able to wangle the extra time off due to "being a season ticket holder"

I asked this when pledging. I was told that you could still back out of the pledge at any time and that it was not enforceable because they could not guarantee that tickets would be available @ £60 when the pledge was made.

They must have built some contingency into the plan ie 10,000 pledge and a certain amount drop out. I can't imagine the break even for this scheme is 10,000

The fake pledgers anger me (but I suppose that's what they are trying to do). I just hope there isn't anyone outthere over pledging thinking they are helping! Hopefully this failsafe system can weed this out. I know most web based transaction systems can identify the IP address but there are so many ways we can get access to the internet now.

Let's not get too worried about the 'fake pledges'. I expect there will be a percentage who do not go on to purchase a membership but I also expect it will be a relatively small amount. We're comfortably over 10k and I am sure we'll sell some more to non pledger's.

No doubt the club will release some figures on the actual amount sold after the Nov deadline.

A condition that now no longer applies, since the club has now been able to confirm the prices.

the way it looks to be:

1. Club makes offer of season tickets for sale at £60/£99/as otherwise stated, conditional upon 10,000 pledges.

2. Fan accepts offer by making pledge, again conditional upon 10,000 pledges.

So far, we have an offer, an acceptance, a consideration and an intent to create legal relations (this stated by the club, and in accepting you accept that) so by normal law of contract you have a valid contract? The only complication is that the offer and acceptance were conditional upon a future event happening, that event having now happened. My understanding is that a conditional acceptance is deemed to be a valid acceptance (and therefore a contract is made) provided the offer is made on precisely the same conditional terms. As indeed was the case here.

So my conclusion would be that a pledge did indeed become a valid contract (as opposed to an invitation to treat) - as soon as the club declared the offer, on its original terms, unconditional. As it did on Monday. And I'd bet the mother-in-law on it...

But I'd not bet the house on it. Whilst I deal with a load of commercial law in my work, I'm an accountant not a lawyer - so the above may be way too simplistic, or plain wrong. Where is the 'Vark when you need him...?

I would expect BullDan has it spot on. Online pledges are going to be very difficult to enforce legally as someone could just argue that it wasn't them that filled in the form, and there's no way of proving if it was or not. To be fair, that could be argued by phone or in person too, as I have a couple of friends who would have all the details required to fill the form in on my behalf. I could just turn round and say it wasn't me who filled it in and unless there's a signature or a recording of me doing it, there's no way it can be proved.

As has been said though, anyone who pledged and doesn't pay should be offset by those who didn't pledge but still want to buy one, so no major problem.

That is true, I've just bought mine and bought a spare one too

Hels it's not often you or I for that matter have a rant but I've got to agree with you here, it has been a great initiative by the Bulls to do this and lets be fair it will save some of us a lot of money so someone has to find a way to knock down the amount of work that has gone into this.

Personally I'm pleased and proud of what the Club have achieved, I don't know the 'ifs' and the 'buts' only the Bulls know that and I wouldn't want to know to be honest. I know what I have to pay, in fact we paid when we pledged, it's our own small way of showing our committment to the Bulls and I'm sure we won't be the only one's to have done this.



Some positive thinking in general would go a long way here and just ignore those who are just here to create mischief. One of the first things I was told when I joined RL Fans was Don't feed the Trolls............ it's going to be a long enough closed season as it is



Mini rant over.

Whatever the terms of the agreement, a contract is only enforceable if a party is willing to enforce it.

Bradford may cajole people into turning pledges into season tickets, but I very much doubt that they will ever sue anyone.

Can you imagine the negative publicity of 200 or 2000 fans being sued by the club?

Hi, new to the forum!! Really pleased with the pledge idea! Looking forward to going to Odsal next year. Monday night was good too, enjoyed the fireworks and atmosphere!

One small interesting point, not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet anywhere.

Went up to the club at lunch time to pay my £60. When asked if I was renewing from last year and said no, the lady behind the counter said, we may not have your details then as the system didn't record them all!

As it happened it did, possibly as I've been a season ticket holder / bought away tickets in the past, but may mean some people who pledged and had no intention of paying could be lost anyway...............

Hi im new too , cant wait for next year now !!!!!!!

But at the time the signature was provided on the pledge, the Bulls couldn't guarantee what the price might be and therefore while it might constitute an agreement in principle I am not sure how this can be treated as a binding "contract" between 2 parties. I would argue that the Bulls only put a confirmed offer on the table now and it is up to me to decide whether I want to accept it or not. I suppose it depends on what the legal definition of a "pledge" is.

Anyway, who cares, I will be getting mine + 2 kids tickets for the Stand tomorrow

Thanks for your very impressive in-put and like previously stated i'm also included in the almost 11,000 adult pledges

Im pretty sure i can class myself as a bradford fan being in my 17th consecutive year as a season ticket holder, my aim behind this post wasn't to slag any of the staff or anything along those lines, i simply wanted to voice what happened at bradford uni. Yes this may of been just one of the individuals trying to get pledges who used this tactic however it still occurred and my only concern is that she wasn't the only one doing this and it also happened at the music festival just to make the magic mark!

I also wanted to know if the pledges were legal binding as you will also see quite a few people asked this question without reply, i see you were not so quick to answer that??

I really hope the club go to town on these idiots boasting about their fraudulent activites (ie: fake pledges) on the net.

See here from my Twitter:

@HantsCastiger Have you paid for your fake pledges you made yet Kenny? If not the small claims court awaits.

HantsCastiger @MICKtheGLED Oh no really? Gosh I can;t believe it - as if I gave my real details



@HantsCastiger Well I didn't expect you to put Kenny Tiger down. But they will find you and pursue you for the fake pledges you've made.

HantsCastiger @MICKtheGLED I pledged twenty times and there is nothing your club can do about it



HantsCastiger is Kenny off Total RL who lives in Hampshire.

Not to mention this ****

Widnes 'till i die wrote: Between me and all my mates, we must've made about a hundred pledges using fake names and contact details
Im sure there are many many many other people that have done the same

Im fairly sure they have to be able to prove it was me, im also fairly sure i covered my tracks well enough

Out of all the people who made the pledge, and had no intention of actually paying, im sure there are some idiots who didnt cover their tracks, fortunately im not one of them

Welcome to the forum mate.

Please post and join in.

Mick, there are also some pathetic attention-seeking Walter Mitty sad types who go around telling everyone all these fantasy things they would have the gullible believe they have done. Anyone you know like that Mick?

And maybe the odd one or two genuinely mentally ill types who might even do it.

Same here, it's going to be amazing seeing Odsal full again.

I don't know if there are gullible or mentally ill but Kenny has told everyone on Total RL and here and on my twitter what he's done.

That Widnes supporter doesn't seem to have the intellect to even pledge for himself let alone make 100's of fake pledges.

You can still (to the best of my understanding) have a contract the performance of which is dependent upon a specific outcome, provided both parties agree that the contract is made subject to that condition, which then effectively becomes part of the contract?

I have just drawn up some commercial contracts where the contract becomes effective only when a separate contract between different parties has been signed. A few weeks ago, I drew up some Memoranda of Understanding, where certain clauses were agreed to establish contractual relations immediately notwithstanding the document as a whole was pre-contractual, and certain further clauses would become contractually-binding only if and when a specified outcome was attained.

How relevant these examples are to this situation I guess needs a lawyer to tell us. But, as you say, it should hopefully be largely academic if the vast majority who pledged do as you and I are going to do, regardless of whether or not it is enforceable!

If they were to pursue it then theyd find him. But they wont, its not worth the effort.
10000 genuine pledges. I doubt it, but im getting my ticket for £60, so cheers to Kenny and the other pumpers.

There you go! Lose some Win some! www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/498 ... 20RESPONSE

There you go! Lose some Win some! www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/498 ... 20RESPONSE

Quote ="Blotto"There you go! Lose some Win some! www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/498 ... 20RESPONSE'" Great news. So who wants to tell Kenny that he actually helped us

Quote ="Blotto"There you go! Lose some Win some! www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/498 ... 20RESPONSE'" Great news. So who wants to tell Kenny that he actually helped us

"After the Announcement on Monday we received another 650 Pledges, which is amazing but not necessary."

So that's 11,331 now?

Which begs the question..why the hell did they not pledge before, when it mattered???