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| Quote ="beefy1"I thought last year that I thought that in L'estrange and Wagga we had two "impact" hookers, who are handy when coming off the bench to run at tired defences, but neither of them IMO really had the ability to dictate the pace of the game early on.
For me Leeds had the total opposite with two players that I would call starting hookers, who play smart and push the team around the field, helping them to get a roll on and win the arm-wrestle.
I feel that Diskin will play as our starting number 9, and compose the team, then Heath or Wagga, providing they both stay will come on to test the opposition.'"
cant really fault that Diskin is not gonna set the world on fire but he is solid, and will be a good signing. Good luck to him, think this is a case of the best deal for all concerned. He never really worked well coming off the bench for us and i hope he goes well for you
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| Quote ="JUDGE666"And Godwin?'"
injury cover for diskin/lestrange, maybe give him a go at loose forward? If he isnt happy with that then I expect we'll be seeing him leave. Always liked wagga but he isnt in the same league as diskin/l'estrange imo.
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| Quote ="mat"when diskin was first mentioned yesterday I thought l'estrange would start and diskin off the bench but the more I think about it the more I like the thought off diskin starting. He's a solid hooker who directs the team round. we then bring on l'estrange (who's best attribut is his breaks from dummy half) against a tiring defence. Potentially a very useful combination imo.'"
I agree with all of that.
We need some solidity in the middle of the field and Diskin provides that. At 28 he's still got plenty of rugby left in him too.
As for Godwin, I expect him to be back up to the other two and occasionally filling in here and there. If injuries strike he'll be in.
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| I am surprised at Diskin leaving Leeds but on the other hand it is a good signing for us, interesting to see the amount of quality players who have signed for us considering how poor we have been for the past few years not that I am complaining just what we need to stuff the opposition next season.
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| I'm very pleased with this signing. Can see him being the starting hooker with L'estrange reverting to the job as impact bench hooker. Hood's comments in the T&A piece suggest all three (Godwin, Diskin, L'Estrange) will be staying which can only be a benefit.
The squad and team in general looks a lot more solid with strong competition for places. The thing I want to see a return to is us being a team that is extremely hard to beat. Last season there were far too many walk in tries and periods of lacklustre defending.
I think the squad at present is looking like it might deliver that. Players will be eager to impress their new coach and cement a starting spot.
The key is the halves now. If we get a couple of players that are great at unlocking defences we might have a great blend on our hands!
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| Quote ="mat"injury cover for diskin/lestrange, maybe give him a go at loose forward? If he isnt happy with that then I expect we'll be seeing him leave. Always liked wagga but he isnt in the same league as diskin/l'estrange imo.'"
I agree with most of that, can't see Godwin being utilised at Loose though with Donaldson, Langley and possibly Addy in line for that position.
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| Quote ="JUDGE666"I agree with most of that, can't see Godwin being utilised at Loose though with Donaldson, Langley and possibly Addy in line for that position.'"
don't want to see langley used a loose forward. he's much more effective in 2nd row imo. Agree about addy and donaldson long term, just dont think there quite ready physically to hold the spot down for a whole season yet. Think godwin or royston could offer us something a bit different there. We've certainly got plenty of options in terms of squad rotation this year which we havent had the benefit of for a few years. Nice problem for potter to have.
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| Quote ="psychostring"I'm very pleased with this signing. Can see him being the starting hooker with L'estrange reverting to the job as impact bench hooker. Hood's comments in the T&A piece suggest all three (Godwin, Diskin, L'Estrange) will be staying which can only be a benefit.
The squad and team in general looks a lot more solid with strong competition for places. The thing I want to see a return to is us being a team that is extremely hard to beat. Last season there were far too many walk in tries and periods of lacklustre defending.
I think the squad at present is looking like it might deliver that. Players will be eager to impress their new coach and cement a starting spot.
The key is the halves now. If we get a couple of players that are great at unlocking defences we might have a great blend on our hands!'"
Spot on that.
I'm happy with this signing, onto the halves now please messers Hood and Potter...
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| Quote ="zapperbull"I am surprised at Diskin leaving Leeds but on the other hand it is a good signing for us, interesting to see the amount of quality players who have signed for us considering how poor we have been for the past few years not that I am complaining just what we need to stuff the opposition next season.
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Who are your quality signings by the way?
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| Quote ="chapylad"Who are your quality signings by the way?'"
While none of them are top drawer, superstar signings, it's difficult to argue that any of them don't strengthen the position they play.
As it stands (with another 2 or 3 still rumored to be coming in), I'm more than happy with the squad assembled so far for 2011
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| Quote ="chapylad"Who are your quality signings by the way?'"
So far..Elima, Diskin, Royston, Hargreaves and i believe Ainscough..We are taking a punt on Walker and Raynor (hopefully they will come good)..Sibbit has been signed as cover and i can't coment on Ah Van as i've not seen him play..
If we can now bring in a steady Scrum Half along with Leon Pryce i'd say as a squad we look strong..
Would'nt you?
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| Godwin at loose?
Nobody can be serious about that cant they?
He's a mediocre hooker, and crap anywhere else.
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| what attributes do you see as esential to a loose forward? Langley is a hard worker but he has not got the hands or speed of thought to make a strong loose forward. donaldson is the most natural loose forward we have but speed,guile good hands and the ability to tackle way above his weight and rarely miss a tackle would stand godwin in good stead to do a good job there.
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| Addy is the nearest thing we have to the classic loose forward.
Langley hasn't the skills, Godwin hasn't either and is too small, Donaldson still needs to bulk up.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Addy is the nearest thing we have to the classic loose forward.
Langley hasn't the skills, Godwin hasn't either and is too small, Donaldson still needs to bulk up.'"
Agree about Addy.
I think the classic LF is a thing of the past though now, but Addy still has the potential to be the next long term loose at the club.
I'm still happy with Langley there, he does an excellent job all over the backrow, he's mobile, makes lots of ground, hardworking and doesnt miss that often. They IMO are the attributes of a modern LF. Having said that, I think Langley plays better to a more structured role in the second row, and would prefer to see him there. I just think the backrow would be better balanced with Elima, Whitehead in front and Langers locking up.
Addy to come on for any at any time with a bit of re-shuffling.
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| I agree.
I do however think that Potter will give Hall a chance in the backrow too.
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| BTW when I say classic loose forward I mean in the Phil Clarke/Paul Sculthorpe mould rather than the Harry Pinner/Dave Heron mould.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Disko was amazing in 04, injured in 05, when he came back he was a passenger for a large part of the season and thought he was on borrowed time. He picked up his game in 07 play offs and played really well. In 08 disco was solid and showed his strength playing the 08 gf with a broken hand. 09 disco was out played by buderus for the 17 games beds played until he got injured at Wigan. we all said disco had to step up to the plate big time and he did and was a match winner in the 09 gf. in 10 disco went ok but when beds went off and disco came on we lost our momentum and stopped going forward. We often lost the lead we had when disco came on or scored no more points. Perhaps not all discos fault but too regular this happend to be fluke. Its maybe as much Leeds packs fault as discos solid but average dummy half play. But this highlighted the difference in quality between him and beds.
disco signed a new contract at Leeds but then got a better deal from the bulls when his brother in law moved there. Leeds been the club they are realised it will be his last good contract and didn't stand in his way as he has been a great servant to the club and we have beds, mcshane and hood who is also a belter coming through. Disco did what he thought was best for him and his family.
Good luck to him that's what I say!'"
That's more what I expected from the Leeds fans (and I'm sure most will feel this way) as he's been a great servant, he's still a good player, but everybody has to move on at sometime and the deal seems right for all parties.
Although I considered a fallout at headingley may be true, the more I think about it I don't think that's the case.
Leeds have a top quality hooker able to play 80 minutes if needed, with 2 good young hookers coming through. After all he's put into his career, and his commitment, the Rhinos have done a good thing which will work out best for all 3 parties.
Quote Commenting on the announcement Leeds Rhinos Chief Executive Gary Hetherington said, "Matt has given such outstanding service that we were always going to support whatever suits him best and we fully understand that a three year contract offer from the Bulls is an attractive option.
"He has been one of our core players, who has been at the heart of the Rhinos success over the past decade. Matt leaves with our best wishes and I have no doubt he will play a key role in the Bulls revival.
"We are fortunate to have two outstanding young hookers in Paul McShane and Liam Hood who aspire to follow in Matt's footsteps," added Hetherington.
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I think Gary Hetherington deserves some credit for what he's said here, and I like it that he's mentioned the "Bulls revival" too.
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They're probably the two i'd expect to be tried first, but we do have alot of options in the back row and everyone should get their chance under Potter.
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| I too think Hall will be given first shot in the backrow. Hall on right, Elima on left.
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| Quote ="JUDGE666"So far..Elima, Diskin, Royston, Hargreaves and i believe Ainscough..We are taking a punt on Walker and Raynor (hopefully they will come good)..Sibbit has been signed as cover and i can't coment on Ah Van as i've not seen him play..
If we can now bring in a steady Scrum Half along with Leon Pryce i'd say as a squad we look strong..
Would'nt you?'"
I think there`s some steady signings so far and considering the so called financial restraints you have the squad doesn`t look too bad.
Royston is a bit of an unknown at this level but worth a punt. Hargreaves I like and would be happy with him in our squad. Elima has his moments too as does Ainscough.
Chev depending on his injury but could be another Karl Price and Raynor so so but does well against Leeds so that should please you.
If Orford comes back you should make the play offs at around 6th.
Having said that I thought you looked good on paper last year and look what happened.
All the best to Disko as he has done well for Leeds in his time.His passing has slowed down .So don`t expect quick ball coming from him. Good luck to the lad and I hope he wins many runners up medals in the future
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| I'd rather start with Diskin, who will have a big defensive game then bring on L'Estrange to speed it up. Saying that L'Estrange was in the top 3 tacklers in Super League this season.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"That's more what I expected from the Leeds fans (and I'm sure most will feel this way) as he's been a great servant, he's still a good player, but everybody has to move on at sometime and the deal seems right for all parties.
Although I considered a fallout at headingley may be true, the more I think about it I don't think that's the case.'"
It is.
Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Leeds have a top quality hooker able to play 80 minutes if needed, with 2 good young hookers coming through.'"
Liam Hood and Paul McShane have bags of talent.
Quote ="Ewwenorfolk" After all he's put into his career, and his commitment, the Rhinos have done a good thing which will work out best for all 3 parties. '"
Absolutely, credit to them.
Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I think Gary Hetherington deserves some credit for what he's said here, and I like it that he's mentioned the "Bulls revival" too.'"
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Hopefully Leeds know what they are doing. But definitely a good signing for Bradford.'"
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