That map is very white the more north you fly.

I haven't lived in Bradford on a permanent basis since 1998, and I was amazed by how much the city centre had declined when I went back for my stag night 2-3 years ago (fortunately the shock was lessened after a few pints). Not just the big piles of rubble and empty spaces, but most of the pubs/clubs we frequented were much more dilapidated than I remembered and the clientele rougher and less numerous. That's a pretty rapid decline in the space of less than 10 years. The latest news doesn't fill me with much hope for what the city will be like in another 10 years time, if indeed it exists in a form other than being a seat of local government.

Ah, that bit of our catchment area!!

Nothing to worry about tt, lots of my friends are LS ers (pronounced lessers) and I`d even let my daughter marry one, LS29 sort of butts up to to BD4 and is considered a sub-division; Bradford lite, if you will. So there you are. No need to be embarrassed at all!!

Eh? BD4 is at the bottom, to the right of the M606.

The city centre has got even worse in the past 2-3 years. I fear for the few attractions such as the Alhambra and Media Museum if the decline continues.

As far as pubs are concerned IMO the best ones near the city centre are some way out e.g the Fighting Cock and the Corn Dolly. The ones in the town centre have been allowed to rot.

Fortunately we live in more elightened times & that sort of same sex thing is legal now. (Not in Ilkley obviously).

I wouldn't agree with that mate. Whilst still a load of crap, I think it has marginally improved if anything. Don't ask for proof...it's just my opinion!!

Ah yes, I think I`m mixing LS 29 with LS 28.

Certainly not. I`m sure Bradford Council have bye-laws about that sort of thing....................

Thank goodness for that. It's like a poor man's LS13....

Nah mate, the only place in LS13 I`d consider living would need castellation and turrets, oh and strong doors with big locks

I mean, who would ever contemplate living there?

It's the most gentrified place I've ever lived in.

Indeed, the T&A reports today the [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4714269.Council_loans_firm___6m_to_finish_building/Council lent 'em £6,000,000.[/url

Quote ="Sovtus Fuq"There's also the somewhat proactive activity of the smashing the internal water pipes. I'll dig out the photos.'" www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6q4rLVeJQQ

Quote ="Sovtus Fuq"There's also the somewhat proactive activity of the smashing the internal water pipes. I'll dig out the photos.'" www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6q4rLVeJQQ

[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4717642.Concern_as_another_pub_shuts/?ref=mrAnother city centre pub closes[/url

No 5hit

I doubt it

I don't get into the city centre too much, but I went in about a month ago and the Old Bank was closed then.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/09/local-newspapers-democracyMonbiot[/url on why the likes of the T&A are worse than useless in holding local councils to account.

I never buy the T&A & cannot remember the last time I looked at a copy. If you type Perry Austin Clarke into google you get some interesting results.

How interesting? Too interesting for my work PC?

Some barmy, some not so. Not seen anything that will bring the internet police round though.

No. An interesting story about the ripper or not the ripper. Plenty about him being a chinless lapdog for the yank owners.

I await his acceptance of my friend request.

That ripper stuff sounds more like the ramblings of a nutter.

But the cosying up with the local fuzz to the detriment of reporting the facts about certain events is more worrying as are the accusations about the Odeon and St George's Hall.

It's like a plotline from the Beiderbecke Affair only without the humour.

Or the music.