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If Burgess does indeed go then the club should be made to explain why they are persisting with the "Building for the Future" line they keep trotting out. To claim that you are building for the future then selling the main foundations of the future plan seems to be a contradiction of the highest order.
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I've got a horrible feeling Paul King and/or Chris Feather are on the way/way back.
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'A substantial amount'
Well given the fact that Fielden was sold to Wigan for almost half a million with 1 year remaining on his Bulls contract then you would have to hope that Peter Hood would be asking for quite a bit more dollar dollar bill ya'll for Sam Burgess.
All these reports are just being regurgitated, bu why his Hood talking to the Aussie press and not the fans of his own club?
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"All these reports are just being regurgitated, bu why his Hood talking to the Aussie press and not the fans of his own club?'"
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Because he knows he doesn't have all the right answers!
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"'A substantial amount'
Well given the fact that Fielden was sold to Wigan for almost half a million with 1 year remaining on his Bulls contract then you would have to hope that Peter Hood would be asking for quite a bit more dollar dollar bill ya'll for Sam Burgess.
All these reports are just being regurgitated, bu why his Hood talking to the Aussie press and not the fans of his own club?'"
To be fair Fielden was pretty much at the top of his game, whereas Sam still has to really prove himself, will the bunnies stump up 'A substantial amount' for a potential but not proven world class player? I think 500,000 $AUS is optomistic. I would love to know what figure Mr Hood has at the back of his mind. |
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While he may not be able to say much on the progress of the Burgess deal it seems we've now got confirmation that there is a release clause in his contract. Is this the first time we've actually had this confirmed?
The club need to keep pushing the line that they will be strengthening because it gets overshadowed with every bit of Burgess speculation.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"If this has been mentioned elsewhere, I apologise as there is a lot to get through but I seem to remember af trying to tell us all how Burgess wanted to stay with the Bulls, primarily because of a certain Mr S McNamara. How does this theory work now then?'"
I didn't try to tell you, I did  . The theory was based on talking to Duffy, and Sam Burgess himself (and bolstered by talking to Caisley IIRC) - not concrete proof but it seemed from speaking to them genuine enough to me. Now, one of the many reasons you and have our differences of opinion on here Eddie is, I feel, you like everything to be clear cut, no shades of grey. If Burgess liked Mac then, he should like Mac now, and it should rule out the possibility of moving on regardless of all other circumstances. I am one of those annoying shades of grey individuals, and so allow for the possibility that outside circumstances plus perhaps even a shift in the relationship between SB and SM could easily account for SB going, especially when it is to an Australian club co-owned by one of the biggest Hollywood stars of the last decade (if it was to another SL club you would have more of a point).
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| Quote ="Bullseye"It just goes to show how important it is to have the right balance between bringing through the young players and having a some good senior players. At the moment we run the risk of being exposed because that balance has been skewed in the favour of longer term planning.'"
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| Quote ="af"I don't often disagree with you Sam, but I don't think the club deliberately neglects the first team for the sake of the youth (even though they've some times made statements that could be read to imply that).'"
It's the many statements they've made about the increased time and money spent on the youth side of things that caused me to come to that conclusion.
We only have a finite amount of cash, we've not spent up to the cap limit for some time so t in comparison with previous years there must be more resource going into longer term projects than has been the case before. Given the subsequent decline in fortunes of the first team it's easy think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the club have chosen to take the hit on first team performances in order to put things in place long term.
I don't have a problem with that until the hit taken becomes too great. Finishing outside the eight and having a situation where we could end up with an even weaker first team in 2010 is a symptom of getting that balance wrong IMO.
It will hopefully all come out in the wash. I'm reminded of how similar we are to Leeds in 2000/01. Their best forward departs for Australia. They sign two Aussies, one crocked another with a dodgy temprament. They go into 2001 and get smashed. Behind the scenes they have Sinfield, McGuire, Diskin to come through in the next few years and the good times return. Are we set to follow a similar pattern? |
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| Quote ="Peter Hood (attributed in TotalRL online)"I haven't been in touch with Souths for many weeks.
I can't stop them negotiating with Sam, and I can fully understand that Sam wants to test himself in the NRL as soon as possible.
But if they want to sign him for next season they would have to pay a very substantial compensation, and I do mean 'substantial'.
That is a given, but there is no way Sam is going to walk out of his contract just like that.
He has a getout clause at the end of next season, but that only allows him to go to the NRL, and not to another Super League club.'"
You could say it makes a bit of a mockery of things when we can read this in Sadler's Rag but not hear anything direct? Maybe Sadler's lot rang Hood after the Oz press reports - it sort of reads that way given the wording of the article. And maybe this is Hood using this as the means to communicate with the fans? Hmm.
The above confirms formally for the first time (?) the existence of the NRL get-out clause. Other than that though, what does it tell us? Those words could be equally applicable to a done-but-not-announced deal as they would to an impasse.
No further forward in terms of resolving the speculation. I would be very surprised if there was not good reason for that. As others have said previously, we can't really judge until it IS all resolved and we see what the club has to say then. That could prove to be a pretty crucial announcement, if the supporters are to be kept/brought back onside - IMO. |
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| Quote ="Bullseye"It will hopefully all come out in the wash. I'm reminded of how similar we are to Leeds in 2000/01. Their best forward departs for Australia. They sign two Aussies, one crocked another with a dodgy temprament. They go into 2001 and get smashed. Behind the scenes they have Sinfield, McGuire, Diskin to come through in the next few years and the good times return. Are we set to follow a similar pattern?'"
Nice analogy. I take your point re: the balance, though it's hard to judge when we could only ever expect to see a positive result from the youth policy start over the next couple of years, while the 'eye of the ball' on the first team's impact would always be immediate.
Understand the general gloom on here right now. Looking where Catalans are now, it's a shame we didn't get that final eight spot as a counterbalance. |
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Perhaps SM is only interetsed in teenagers, or those who are way past it but still resemble teenagers?
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| Quote ="af"I didn't try to tell you, I did
. The theory was based on talking to Duffy, and Sam Burgess himself (and bolstered by talking to Caisley IIRC) - not concrete proof but it seemed from speaking to them genuine enough to me. Now, one of the many reasons you and have our differences of opinion on here Eddie is, I feel, you like everything to be clear cut, no shades of grey. If Burgess liked Mac then, he should like Mac now, and it should rule out the possibility of moving on regardless of all other circumstances. I am one of those annoying shades of grey individuals, and so allow for the possibility that outside circumstances plus perhaps even a shift in the relationship between SB and SM could easily account for SB going, especially when it is to an Australian club co-owned by one of the biggest Hollywood stars of the last decade (if it was to another SL club you would have more of a point).
Short version - wind your neck back in.
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So McNamara was pretty much the main reason he wanted to stay just over a year ago (alledgedly) yet now he is desperate to get away at the earliest opportunity? (alledgedly)
Seems an awful short period of time for attitudes to change so much.
Personally, I just wish we would hurry up and bring closure to this sorry affair. Nobody is covering themselves in glory here at all and the sooner it is over with the better.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"It's the many statements they've made about the increased time and money spent on the youth side of things that caused me to come to that conclusion. '"
Was I the only one to read Hood's comments reported in the T&A the other day, and sense we might not be getting as much in the way of new signings as we expected, and may end up promoting more youth earlier as a result? ust from the nuances in the wording.
The comment about Semi's future being tied up in a coupe,of weeks, when we were told before it would be end of last week, made me wonder if we had missed out on a signing and had gone back to Semi with an improved offer.
All wild speculation at the moment, and I guess arising because too few people trust the club? Its getting more and more like Substandard in the the "Believe Leeds" and "Hetherington's Sleeve" times on here every day. If the end result though was how it turned out for Leeds, I guess we could live with it... |
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"However, yet again, the club seem to be making another PR disaster which appears to be commonplace these days.'"
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The comment about Semi's future being tied up in a coupe,of weeks, when we were told before it would be end of last week, made me wonder if we had missed out on a signing and had gone back to Semi with an improved offer.
All wild speculation at the moment, and I guess arising because too few people trust the club? Its getting more and more like Substandard in the the "Believe Leeds" and "Hetherington's Sleeve" times on here every day. If the end result though was how it turned out for Leeds, I guess we could live with it...'"
Medley did say that the best of the academy side would be promoted to the first team squad en bloc when they're ready. Maybe next season is when that's going to be? I hope they really are ready if that's the case and it's not being done because the club's hand has been forced due to them being unsuccessful with other recruitment options.
As you say all we can do is sit tight and hope for the best. I hope they have something positive to report soon as I can bet this isn't getting the season ticket sales rolling! |
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Another twist in the saga.
NZ Warriors to target SL players.
A regular in the Great Britain side, Ellis is the type of player Bell will be after. New Zealand has enough talent coming through to fill out the club's junior ranks. Bell wants only finished products.
[iBradford prop Sam Burgess would certainly fit the bill. Already an established international at just 20, Burgess is rated by many as the best young forward in the game - in either hemisphere. He is contracted to Bradford for another season, but Manly and Souths are already circling.
His manager, Chris Caisley, has said it is just a matter of time until Burgess switches to the NRL, but the sticking point with British players is usually money. The exchange rate means the money on offer in the NRL falls well short of what the best British players can earn in Super League.[/i
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NZ Warriors to target SL players.
A regular in the Great Britain side, Ellis is the type of player Bell will be after. New Zealand has enough talent coming through to fill out the club's junior ranks. Bell wants only finished products.
[iBradford prop Sam Burgess would certainly fit the bill. Already an established international at just 20, Burgess is rated by many as the best young forward in the game - in either hemisphere. He is contracted to Bradford for another season, but Manly and Souths are already circling.
His manager, Chris Caisley, has said it is just a matter of time until Burgess switches to the NRL, but the sticking point with British players is usually money. The exchange rate means the money on offer in the NRL falls well short of what the best British players can earn in Super League.[/i
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Burgess set for Souths move
By STEVE MASCORD
Bradford Bulls have agreed to release England prop Sam Burgess from the final season of his contract and he will join South Sydney next year on a four-year deal.
rugbyleague.com can reveal that after more than a month of negotiations, the Rabbitohs have agreed to pay the Bulls compensation to buy out the 2010 portion of Burgess' tenure at the Grattan Stadium.
"All I can tell you is that that negotiations are ongoing,'' Souths chief executive Shane Richardson said.
"We are keen to have Sam at the club and we are working towards that end.''
But it's understood there is little more to take place in the process than for the funds to land in the Bulls' bank account.
In their negotiations, the Bunnies reminded the Bulls that if they hung on to the 20-year-old for another year they would get no compensation at all for his departure.
South Sydney owner Russell Crowe was involved in the early stages of negotiations, wining and dining the young star and his manager during filming of the upcoming Robin Hood film.
"Sam didn't drink but he sure can eat,'' Crowe said later.
It is understood the fee involved in the transfer is a significant six-figure sum.
Burgess is the third prop signed by the Rabbitohs for 2010, after Brisbane hulk Dave Taylor and Queensland Origin star Ben Ross, from Cronulla.
They already boast the man ranked the leading front rower in the world, injured New Zealand captain Roy Asotasi.
Meanwhile the British flag will be flown on NRL grand final day by Gareth Widdop, the fullback in Melbourne's under 20s side.
Widdop played for Yorkshire Under 16s before emigrating with his family. He has been offered a senior contract with the Storm next year and shapes as Billy Slater's fullback understudy.
The Melbourne Thunderbolts Toyota Cup side takes on Brisbane at 2.10pm Sydney time
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By STEVE MASCORD
Bradford Bulls have agreed to release England prop Sam Burgess from the final season of his contract and he will join South Sydney next year on a four-year deal.
rugbyleague.com can reveal that after more than a month of negotiations, the Rabbitohs have agreed to pay the Bulls compensation to buy out the 2010 portion of Burgess' tenure at the Grattan Stadium.
"All I can tell you is that that negotiations are ongoing,'' Souths chief executive Shane Richardson said.
"We are keen to have Sam at the club and we are working towards that end.''
But it's understood there is little more to take place in the process than for the funds to land in the Bulls' bank account.
In their negotiations, the Bunnies reminded the Bulls that if they hung on to the 20-year-old for another year they would get no compensation at all for his departure.
South Sydney owner Russell Crowe was involved in the early stages of negotiations, wining and dining the young star and his manager during filming of the upcoming Robin Hood film.
"Sam didn't drink but he sure can eat,'' Crowe said later.
It is understood the fee involved in the transfer is a significant six-figure sum.
Burgess is the third prop signed by the Rabbitohs for 2010, after Brisbane hulk Dave Taylor and Queensland Origin star Ben Ross, from Cronulla.
They already boast the man ranked the leading front rower in the world, injured New Zealand captain Roy Asotasi.
Meanwhile the British flag will be flown on NRL grand final day by Gareth Widdop, the fullback in Melbourne's under 20s side.
Widdop played for Yorkshire Under 16s before emigrating with his family. He has been offered a senior contract with the Storm next year and shapes as Billy Slater's fullback understudy.
The Melbourne Thunderbolts Toyota Cup side takes on Brisbane at 2.10pm Sydney time
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