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| Quote ="Highlander"A finances question - I assume we are renting out part of the car park to that construction company - Irvines is it? Their equipment is all over the place.
And also we seem to be renting out the stadium to a film production company at the moment.
And next year we will actually have some sponsorship cash I think.'"
Yeah, we were told that ALL sponsorship has been sold for next season already. And that is cash that ChaLo will actually be getting, as well as the cash from season tickets that they sell too. Which is more than this year.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"It's a crunch period for supporters too. If the owners handle this right they could go into 2018 quite optimistically. Handled badly and we'll see crowds/season ticket holders drop below 1k.
I want to come back and get behind the first team. I don't want to feel like I'm taken for granted and have got used to doing other things on a Sunday. I suspect I'm not alone. I've had enough of deals behind closed doors. I understand things not being announced until they're signed and sealed but then don't go around telling every Tom, Dick and Harry about it informally then. That only pi55es people off and potentially raises false hopes.
I hope that if there is a re-structure we're not dropped in it at the last minute and end up as cannon fodder again. I'd much rather us know where we are even if it's C1. At least then we can build a side to get out of there.'"
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"Without a multi-millionaire owner willing to drop cash into a black hole (such as Leigh or London) I can't see how any team can compete to gain promotion to SL, (where of course you get given over a million and a half pounds just for being there).
Its good to hear you say Fax are bringing the money in, but wasn't there rumours of huge cuts throughout the club just a couple of weeks ago if they had not made the top 4? I mean, that sounds like the sort of thing Bradford would do; spend beyond their means to achieve something, and then miss it completely and have to 'cut their cloth accordingly''"
The Bradford thing to do would be not to make the cuts. Living within your means makes cut an inevitability when the money drops which is the right thing to do.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Indeed. Had Fax finished 5th it'd be a different story. I bet Batley will be cutting their cloth since they finished outside the top 4 now.'"
Which is my whole point. For years Bradford spent money they could not afford to spend and refused to make cut backs. At both Batley and Fax they are not afraid of making those cuts if the club must be protected.
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| For me there are a few of major points /questions:
1) Stadium development - do we end up moving homes for a couple of years again (Horsfall?)
2) How do we improve the standard of our team performances - of late we've being playing at a level below current C1 standards (basics as others have mentioned around run forwards, pass, catch and tackle seem to be a problem) and I don't see any advance this season for all we have a past NRL coach
3) We believe several of current squad will be off - good look to them though I doubt they will walk into SL teams - those that are left beyond squad of youngsters I'm not sure we want to retain - is it a full scale clear out again?
4) I like many others want to support a team that is progressing but can't see many season tickets sold in 2018 without major surgery.
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| Considering the relegation has been pretty much nailed on for a few weeks at least now, it's good to see that the higher ups at the club have had a statement prepared and ready to outline to fans what the plans are and how we now move forward. It's a great statement that really helps to give us all an idea of where we are, what's happening and what the strategies going forward are. Releasing it straight after relegation was confirmed was the perfect thing to do.
Oh wait....
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Considering the relegation has been pretty much nailed on for a few weeks at least now, it's good to see that the higher ups at the club have had a statement prepared and ready to outline to fans what the plans are and how we now move forward. It's a great statement that really helps to give us all an idea of where we are, what's happening and what the strategies going forward are. Releasing it straight after relegation was confirmed was the perfect thing to do.
Oh wait....'"
I emailed Andrew Chalmers about the resounding silence last night and got this back today:
[iHi Deano,
We are planning a fans forum this month. Will keep you posted. It’s tough for everyone especially the fans. I feel the hurt to and just ask you to please continue to support us as we transition out of these circumstances.
A lot happening, and will keep you in the loop.
Best regards Andrew[/i
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"I emailed Andrew Chalmers about the resounding silence last night and got this back today:
[iHi Deano,
We are planning a fans forum this month. Will keep you posted. It’s tough for everyone especially the fans. I feel the hurt to and just ask you to please continue to support us as we transition out of these circumstances.
A lot happening, and will keep you in the loop.
Best regards Andrew[/i'"
I don't aim any of this at you, as I know you're only trying to help and get some answers. However I don't believe a word he says. This "fans forum is coming" rubbish has been said for months. This "stick with us" b0llocks has been said for months, This "things are happening behind the scenes" guff has been said for months. Until he backs up his words, I won't believe any of them.
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| I appreciate you getting in touch Fr13daY. However Chalmers should be keeping all fans in the loop not just ones he's met personally.
Not that I'm as bothered as I was. I'll be sticking with the 16s and 19s from now on if I need a rugby fix.
A fans forum would be interesting - I can see him being asked some pretty searching questions.
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| That response to Fr13daY is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen from the club considering the circumstances, and that's saying something. Dreadful.
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| Quote ="amberavenger"That response to Fr13daY is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen from the club considering the circumstances, and that's saying something. Dreadful.'"
Well considering its been a year since Marc Greens famous "i will never put this club in administration, buy more beer before the game" statement, which was followed a week later, bu the winding up peition which eventually liquidated us. I'd probably suggest that was worse.
I personally havent given up yet. I personally feel relegation is the best thing that could happen to the club. I hope this fans forum does happen. It needs to. We can't afford to lose die hards like Bullseye and Hamster. The statement of where we are going is critical. Even if it contains some things we won't like.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Well considering its been a year since Marc Greens famous "i will never put this club in administration, buy more beer before the game" statement, which was followed a week later, bu the winding up peition which eventually liquidated us. I'd probably suggest that was worse.'"
Marc Green's statement was misguided, it wasn't pathetic (IMO). Also I did say "one of" - we are spoiled for choice it seems.
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| I sat in the stands yesterday thinking, 'I'll need to sort my ST early this year to make sure I keep my seat, no way they'll open the standing sides next year, everyone will be in the main stand.'
I took myself out the back and gave mi head a shake... but I'll be back next year. Even though I said I wouldn't and launched my toys out of the pram.
As a matter of interest, anyone notice that the official Bradford Bulls twitterfeed suddenly had 'North West' as location last night. There's another one for the conspiracy theories...
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| Quote ="bulls2487"The Bulls media guy is from Oldham.'"
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| Quote ="bulls2487"The Bulls media guy is from Oldham.'"
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I assume they don't actually pay him a wage?'"
I got told he was a graduate in some kind of University media course. I assume those courses don't have a "Basic English" module.
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"I emailed Andrew Chalmers about the resounding silence last night and got this back today:
[iHi Deano,
We are planning a fans forum this month. Will keep you posted. It’s tough for everyone especially the fans. I feel the hurt to and just ask you to please continue to support us as we transition out of these circumstances.
A lot happening, and will keep you in the loop.
Best regards Andrew[/i'"
I'm defintely not having a go at you Fr13daY but Andrew Chalmers talk is like a used car salesman - he says everything we want to hear - but he doesnt deliver.
I was one of the "I'll give Cha-Lo plenty of time to bed in and prove their worth" gang through most of this shoite season - but my patience has worn out now - his latest comment is nothing more than a used car salesmans pitch'
Quote continue to support us as we transition out of these circumstances'" " wtf does that mean? exactly HOW is he planning to "transition" out of relegation? - oh, by the team winning more games than the other teams and getting promoted back into the championship? - is that it? So basically he is saying please support us for another season cos we might win more games than lose games - thats not rocket science - so why wrap it up in such verbose terms?
Quote a lot happening'" - yep, so we keep being feckin told - but what the feck is actually happening - cos if AC doesnt know - none of us do - and if he does know - why all the smoke & mirrors - or should I say filler and spray paint.
Sorry Fr13daY - not having a go at you - I'm just so frustrated with not knowing AGAIN what my club's future is
Rant over - I'll go lie down now
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| He also was quite adamant that we would not be relegated (when we were mathematically all but down anyway). Insight or collusion?...He will have to face up one way or another. The fans have been taken for mugs..yet again.
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| Quote ="Frank Whitcombe"Platitudes and BS'"
Exactly.
I've seen nothing from the new owners that changes my mind about exactly what they're here to do.
Namely, get the Bulls through 2017 so other clubs can get one last payday from our fans and the RFL don't have to mess about with uneven fixtures then close the doors for good once the season is over.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Exactly.
I've seen nothing from the new owners that changes my mind about exactly what they're here to do.
Namely, get the Bulls through 2017 so other clubs can get one last payday from our fans and the RFL don't have to mess about with uneven fixtures then close the doors for good once the season is over.'"
Except to my mind at least, that makes no sense from AC point of view. Why travel halfway across the world to take on a club that has proven it doesn't make money. Unless there is something else that we aren't being told?
But I share your frustration and I am also fed up to my back teeth of the smoke and mirrors nods and winks. Whichever way it goes I'm fast getting to the point where I couldn't give a monkeys what happens anymore. I didn't even realise we were relegated until late on Sunday evening.
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| I personally don't think it would be unfair if we were kept up by a restructure as that restructure would have been proposed if not confirmed before the season even started and would explain why Cha Low took the club on and agreed the -12.
The RFL couldn't announce at the outset it would make the season pointless in some respects.
If this isn't the case and we go down then so be it.
What is getting to me a bit is some bulls fans implying we should stay up because we are a "big club" this isn't the case and would be unfair forget how many fans we have.
It makes us look like babies and only adds to the hate mob.
It is more and more clear that Chalowe, this year and the future has nothing to do with the Bulls, or RL in Bradford it seems to be about how fat Nige and the RFL can line there pockets with the hold on Odsal they managed to acquire.
We (the fans) are merely a bi product that is drip fed scraps of information to maintain the pretence.
Like the appointment of Toovey in the first place, he hasn't achieved anything is basically on Holiday but his appointment kept everyone quiet for a few months.
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| @OfficialBullsRL come on the bulls let's get something out there and give all fans something to look foreward to for next year !!!
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| The above was posted by Show me the money on Twitter. He is Sam Hallas agent. Does he know something?
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