I am, you woodentop, and also trying to show these in the context of a long line of classy, in many cases illustrious, signings, to make the point that no-one should be surprised if Bradford sign a top player, as we have a long and distinguished record of doing so.

In my earlier post i stated that as far as i know, Newton, Morrison and Menzies are current players and are the most recent signings, and I also mentioned Hall, who is for next year but signed now.

I can't believe that I had to explain that, but comprehension isn't apparently your strong suit. Why do you have to try to be y and clever all the time? How many more top players - real top players - like Morrison, Menzies and Hall - would we have to sign for you to accept that we continue to be in the market for the top players? Do you really think we're not?

FA in resorting to insults shocker.

FWIW, Menzies, I accept, but if you are trying to say that Morrison and Hall are REAL TOP players, then it is no wonder I find it hard to take you seriously.

You [iare[/i on the wind up I assume?

Oh grow up FFS



I couldn't give a flying fart if you "take me seriously"!

But usually you backtrack and sidetrack to crawl away from embarrassment, and claim you were talking about something else altogether, so let's start by making it clear what we were discussing. I said:-


Eurob0re asked who these top class signings were, and you echoed by asking:


So I did. As I had made the point that I expected a club of our standing to "keep going" for top class signings, this (to the terminally uncomprehending) presupposes that we have a record of doing so, and based on that record I expect us to continue doing so.

That clear enough so far?

Presented with the evidence, you try to squirm out of your embarrassment by simply making some crack about "history books" - ignoring that 3 of those on the list are current players.

You then say you


But this is just disingenuous crap, as first it implies I am [inot[/i dealing with present and most recent signings - when I had in fact LISTED the present and most recent signings, as well as a long list going back to the 50s.

This alleged "assumption" of yours would not be so bad, if my list lost something by being restricted to "present and most recent signings" - but (apart from the fact that it would be out of context with my original post) it would not lose any such thing. Depending on how far back you want to add by way of "most recent" to "present", the list could, for example, be truncated to:

Lesley Vainikolo

Shontayne Hape

Joe Vagana

Terry Newton

Iestyn Harris

Glenn Morrison

Steve Menzies

Will these do for anyone for "present and most recent signings"? Are they "REAL TOP" enough for you?

Now you can try to ramp up your ludicrous case by trying to define your newly introduced phrase "REAL TOP" players (in fact I won't be surprised if you'll now want to to raise the bar to exclude anyone but Lockyer or equivalent) but Morrison and Hall would count as top class signings in any sensible person's book.

You get into an argument about semantics now if that's what you want, in your typical attempt to present yourself as having "won" your self-decreed "argument", but anyone who would claim that Morrison (over 200 NRL games scoring over 60 tries, selected for Country Origin in 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005) or Hall (current NRL Grand Final winner, WCC winner) are outside the category of top class signings, must surely be on the wind-up.

You probably don't actually even know that for the second half of last season, Hall was mostly keeping Menzies on the bench? (Or is Menzies second rate too in your gaga opinion?)

But at least we now know what your personal bar is. Morrison and Hall are not top class signings in the weird and wacky world of mystic eddie. They are therefore second class signings. Riiiiight.





As on past form I expect you'll be far too embarrassed to attempt a reasoned response, I'll put your normal riposte in for you, to save you the bother:

I agree, I thought he was talking about the top class signings like Micheal Platt, Ricki SHerrife, Paul Sykes, Chris Nero, Semi Tadulala, Ben Jeffries, Wayne Goodwin and Micheal Worrincy. You know, them top class signings

[iMy[/i newly introduced phrase?

Strangely........







Oh dear!



Good signings they are indeed, but you claimed that they were "real top players" which is silly.



As it was widely accepted that Menzies was not neccessarily up to 80 minutes of RL in the NRL each week then why would I not know that? I suppose you think that Hall would have kept a Menzies in his prime on the bench?

However, as usual there are more than my dissenting voices against your stupid opinion but guess whose one you concentrate on the most?

Your obsession is touching however.

Don't be silly, that would go against his very selective argument.

Anyone who lists Logan Swann as a top class signing has zero credibility whatsoever.

At the risk of butting in on yet another FA/ME love fest (

)...what is your definition of a "REAL TOP CLASS" signing?

How many real top class players are there actually in the world?

So Menzies is a real top class signing?

So would one real top class signing a season be a realistic expectation for any club who is legally constrained by the salary cap?

What is better - one real top class signing and a few average players
or
several extremely good but maybe not "World class" signings?

29 caps.

Good player, just didnt work out well for him at Bulls, same as Sol.

It's going to live forever.

It bores the hell out of me, I reckon it does quite a few others to. Sadness if ive ever seen it.

Counter to that, due to the paucity of RL coverage in the media, this is the one place where you can read informed and sustained discussion of the Bulls (in and amongst

). And both FA and ME contribute to that, even though there is some repitition on occasions.

Points scoring excersise on both parties and the need to have the last word.

The way it comes across to me is both of them are more interested finding out 'who's dads harder than the other' or 'who's got the biggest willy'. One has a dig, then the other and vice versa, everyday it seems. They are like my two infant children at times.

TBF if there's one person who appoints themself to attempt to have the last word on anything, that would be you. As here. Except you seem to have this notion that it's OK for [iyou[/i to do it, but not for anyone else.

Even for you, considering a man with 29 Test caps for New Zealand over a 9 year international career not "top class" is pretty barking.


Well, you SAY this is what you suppose, and so I point to this as more evidence that you must be barking.


Dear eddie - calling to the gallery for moral support. Your need for approval is touching indeed.



But the only "stupid" opinion remains that the Bulls do not make top class signings. Which would be your stupid opinion btw.

TBF it has not happened for a while as far as I am concerned. I have generally tried to ignore what he has had to say. However, when you see on this thread that three different people have made a similar point yet he choose to generally ignore the other two then you can see where his obsession lies. (He describes it as a call for moral support)

The biggest problem I have is not responding to someone who continually just makes things up in order to try and formulate an argument.

However, I see he has shifted his attention now to RER. Good luck to him.

TBH, FA can have the last word if he wishes. No doubt he will look to this as "not being able to formulate an argument". I don't really care what the clown thinks TBH.

Point well and truly proven.

Menzies was, Bird would have been, Wing certainly will be. Buderus was for Leeds as was Brent Webb, Hodgson (Brett) was for Huddersfield, Puletua was for Saints as was Gidley and, further back, Lyon. There has to be a realism of who you can bring to these shores from overseas whilst in their prime.



Not a massive amount but sadly most of the real quality will stay in the NRL.



Of course, but it is let down a bit by his age. Imagine the same guy for us in his prime!




Several extremely good for me. One world class player is eyecatching but putting the likes of Lockyer in the Salford side would not make them contenders overnight. It is striking the right balance that is important IMO.

It would be great though, like when Wally Lewis played for Wakey in the 80's. My memory is as sharp as a Paul Deacon side step but I can still remember the king's debut versus Hull.

Agreed, you need realism in who is available and affordable. So you would agree that the Bulls have done all they can to sign the best quality players available to them this season? They are still in the market obviously.



See above.




When he was in his prime we had players of a similar quality.




I agree, that's why I'm not so unhappy about having Menzies, Lynch, Burgess, etc. Hall already sorted for next year, some excellent young players coming through and already making their mark, and some pretty decent squad players.
A good balance you would agree?

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No-one's going to believe that for a second. You get so wound up, the space around your posts turns a shade of puce.


See them pointy things on the end of your hand? Just don't press any buttons on your keyboard. Unless you have a specific form of OCD, it's easy.


"mystic eddie in personal abuse shock"



Your weary MO is boring. I am not "having the last word" but "responding" to posts you, or anyone else I reply to, has/have made. That is what a discussion forum is for. I don't give a flying one whether you or anyone wants to weirdly claim this is me "wanting to have the last word" or not, but apart from the mods nobody has a right to decree that their last pearls of wisdom were the last word on the subject, and I don't understand why you're so obsessed with the "last word" argument that you invariably trot out. [/size

In my opinion you'd be better off trying to support your weird contention that the Bulls don't make top class signings, which is what the whole point of the thread (and certainly what I posted) is about, rather than taking everything so bloody personally every time I post and getting on your tiresome high horse, but whatever the reason, I reckon the Bull's long record of such signings, which continues, is unassailable.

If you are really convinced that these people are second rate players then as I've tried to make clear I accept, indeed defend, your right to hold barking views, but if you unjustifiably (IMHO) disparage the Bulls (as you often do) on the Bulls forum, dn't think you've got free rein to do so unopposed.

It doesn't matter whether they are at their physical and playing peak, or not, I really can't see how anyone can dispute that:

[listMorrison was a top class signing. (For reasons I have set out, which you don't comment on)

Newton was a top class signing. (You have ignored his case)

Menzies was a top class signing. (Does it really even justify any debate???)

All the players I have listed were top class signings.

Hall for next season is a top class signing.[/list:u

They all (indisputably) possess your latest stated attribute of "real quality". And that's my final word on the subject (since it is such an important issue for some to know this) so anyone who wants to have "the last word" can attempt to do so anywhere beyond this point.

I think we are making steps in the right direction but I think we will have to wait until the recruitment for 2010 is complete before we can be too sure. We have a good blend of youth and experience in the squad but we have no real balance in the side with the forwards beings much superior to the backs IMO.

Hopefully this will be adressed though and I have no doubt that it is.

Despite what some wind up merchants who cannot read claim elsewhere, I have not commented on any players being second rate whatsoever, but rather point out that they are not as good as is being made out. Whether that case is to be debated, it is merely an opinion rather than being completely made up in order to suit an argument.

We have made some excellent signings in the past, just as we have made a few turkeys too. It happens, but learning from the mistakes is what matters to me.

I'm having the last word.