They'd be ACE odds if the horses were of similar stature - but that just wouldn't happen. . . . . which is, I suppose, the point of apply odds/probability to such outcomes.

Just taken a look on Betfair and odds are currently 16/1 for a Bulls win - Like FA I'm also an eternal optimist and it's payday so I can afford to lose a small wager - got to be worth a punt.

Bugger. . . .

Just taken the Toptesport 12/1 odds. . . .

The BULLS are 12/1









Alternate Hubcap of 32+ at 2/5

It's like looking at a car crash. You know it's going to be nasty but you just can't help yourself.

I await the "must win" Celtic game with even more interest. That has the potential to be just as bad!

Who knows though, we may yet have a miraculous near miss at Saints and emerge victorious.

Why, in response to an innocuous post about big odds in 2 horse races, have you attempted to get into a personal ing contest with me?

Rhetorical question, as I know the answer. As I am in a good mood, I'll ignore it, and simply say that you've completely missed the point, as I am not talking about the chances of a specific Bradford win in a specific game, but about the objective fact that 12/1 (or even better 16/1) is good odds in a two horse race.

In betting terms, tonight is nothing more than just the next in the series of such betting events. It is THAT sequence, going back a hundred years or more, and covering a plethora of different sporting contests, which is the relevant "bigger picture". Whether this particular horse does or does not win this particular race is not relevant.

If you want to look at specifics, then we could start with the Leeds game. Although the Bulls were not as rank outsiders in that game, the odds were very attractive as a betting proposition. NOT as a Bulls fan, or indeed a Leeds fan, but as a dispassionate investor of dosh. As a result of this, I made a decent amount of money, backing the quite substantial underdog in a two dog race.

As a result of that, I will remain substantially "in front" regardless of tonight. And outsiders, even rank outsiders will continue occasionally to bring home the bacon, from time to time.

And people might even be able to discuss the odd general point like this one, without you piling in with yet more personal abuse and "how unbelievably crap are the Bulls" (or is that Blackpool donkeys) remarks.

I am not missing the point at all. I know the point that you are making. It is just a crap point.



Heck, of course outsiders win sometimes. You only have to look at this years Grand National for evidence of that fact and I do not have a problem with that point whatsoever.

It is just that fact that someone could read this, and not know anything about rugby league (please avoid the obvious one lads.

) and see your point and think, Flippin' 'eck, This side just beat Leeds, they must be pretty ok, when actually the opposite is a lot closer to the truth.

Instead of finding odds of 12/1 attractive, I am more disappointed to see that that is the kind of odds that we are now being offered as it shows exactly how far we have fallen.

(and far from trying to start a "p!ssing contest", I am merely disagreeing with your point. One assumes that is still ok on a message forum? )

If it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck...

If the Bulls win tonight, I think we may have uncovered the underlying problems behind the scenes.

There is a complex betting circle within the Bulls camp, players playing unbelievably poorly until a big game comes up which we are "sure to get pasted" and BANG......£££££££'s in!!

We haven't quite finished paying for our villas in the Cayman Islands yet...

Well you could have dealt me in......!
Life savings on a Bulls win tonight then.

How sweet, defending your dame. Such chivalry.

Well, Matty Johns has just told the Aussie viewing public to tune in for the Sunday afternoon delayed telecast because it's a top of the table clash...

I felt that when you unpleasantly put

... it went beyond 'mere disagreement'.


... is more of the unpleasant same.

Love the avatar maybe the club should get him dressed up has Attila the Hun for some publicity

Indeed, that was my thoughts exactly after the Catalans cup game.

I wonder how much went on on Catalans to win at half time...

Good man!


You misunderstand. The [ibookies[/i are the ones that make these odds, and they are the ones that take the form into account.

Whereas my point is, form was (by definition) irrelevant in those cases where a big outsider causes a major upset, as they regularly do!

The point is, self-evidently, the past or even recent form isn't going to help you much to predict an upset. But such upsets do regularly happen!


I was using "two horse race" as a cliche and not specifically referring to horses. But there are many similarites, though. SL teams, like horses, do not tend to be entered to compete in events which it is impossible for them to win.

And I'd say it is much easier to get an upset in a team game, such as RL, than in a one-on-one. Not that the latter don't happen, mind you. Anyone remember any of these?

Buster Douglas betaing Mike Tyson (42/1)
North Korea v Italy 1966
Wrexham v Arsenal - F.A. Cup 1992
Greece in Euro 2004 (any match!)
U.S. v England 1950 World Cup
Faroe Isles v Austria 1990
NYGiants beating the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII
Bangladesh v Australia - cricket ODI 18th June 2005 (Bangladesh were 20/1!)
St. Gallen v. Chelsea in 2000 (Chelsea were 1/100)
Papua New Guinea 20-18 Great Britain 1990 (GB 28 point favourites)
Sheffield 17 v Wigan 8 1998 CC Final
=cyanSaints v Bradford 2009 ??????????????????????

Given the history of this particular SL Regular Round fixture at St Helens (Bradford having won 4 from 16) anything better than a 4 to 1 shot is attractive.

I still wouldn't risk any of my 'hard earned' even though Bradford have lost the last three of those sixteen and are about due.

You're probably right, but the time has come to gird the loins and burn some of my hard earned over the M62/A580, so here's hoping . . .

Whats everyones opinions of what the team should, or will be tonight? If it was upto me I'd go with-

Halley
Tadulala
Sykes
Cook
Sheriffe
Menzies
Jeffries
Lynch
Newton
Scruton
Solomona
Langley
Burgess

Kopczac
Olbison
Worrincy
Platt

not gonna give rinaldi a run out then

O boll**ks!! I knew i'd forgotten somone!!

Gidley and Puletua out for the S men. Game on.

Bulls in for a try. Game over.