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| Where I work, theres 5 of us from the same team all about to jump ship, for a better job.
When people start leaving, it's never a good sign. It won't be rosy in camp. It's not just the off field uncertainty that will worry players like before, but theres relegation now so theres on field to take into account. This is a players living, if the bulls do get relegated it will leave many players scrabbling around for a super league contract so they can support themselves.
It's going to be tough this season for bradford. I mean which 2 teams are gonna go down?
You can rule out straight away: Leeds, wigan, saints, hull, hull kr, huddersfield, warrington, catalans and salford.
That leaves 5 'maybes' - Wakefield, widnes, london, bradford and cas. Of those maybes, I would rule out widnes and wakefield. Neither is strong enough to be in the ruled out straight away pile, but both have class in their teams and have had a stable coaching set up for a few seasons which has seen them perform solidly.
So that only leaves bradford, london and cas. Cas improved under powell but have lost rangi chase.
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| Quote ="vbfg"Who is putting the blame elsewhere? The discussion is about subsequent events. That there would have been no such events without a succession of failures on the various parties involved is so trite as to be meaningless.
People screwed up and therefore everything that follows is irrelevant? Is that really your point? It's not a negative view, it just makes no sense. It's self evident that the way in which situations are dealt with matters.'"
The RFL this......
The other clubs that......
Blah blah blah.
However, the fact remains that if WE had not screwed up in the first instance then nothing else could have gone wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right I concede but, as I said, it is our fault we got where we are.
Heck, even when we were doing well we overspent our budget. It has been going on for years.
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| Bulls and Cas to get relegated,worst game I have seen for a long long time
London have nowt to worry about watching that e
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| The same london that just got taken to the cleaners at widnes.
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| Thursday is going to be embarrassing. Sammut will rip us to bits. Why oh why cummins have you allowed him to leave and given a new contract to Gale. Embarrassing!
Kicking out on the full on the 1st tackle inside Cas's 20m.
That play summed up the decision. Im losing confidence in Cummins. We look shot after 60mins and same players making pathetic attempts at tackles. Yes the squad isn't the best but they are still PROFESSIONAL rugby league players who should know how to tackle.
We'll be taken to the cleaners on Thursday!
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| I'm now even more angry with Cummins for letting Sammut go but giving Gale a new contract. Apart from the kick for Purtell's try, Gale was poor today.
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| London will come good in a few weeks time, I have a feeling...
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| Interview with Lamb on radio Leeds was good, talked a lot of sense.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Keith Mason here in the next week or so, from the way he was talking on the radio.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
____________________
=#4000BF[size=85Example if you don;t get the point:
4 club league.
TOTAL to be distributed £70,000
AGREEMENT - A gets half the distribution of B,C,D
A gets 1 share, B C and D get 2 shares each. So we need a total of 7 shares, @ £10,000 a share.
A gets £1o,000
B C and D get £2o,000 each. The £70000 has been distributed as per agreement
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Whereas what seems to have happened is
£70,000 / 4 = £17,500
Last year A B C D got £17,500 each.
So this year we give them £17,500 each. And we give A half that, namely £ 8,750
And we then have £8,750 left over.
So we give a third of that to B and C and D. Another £2,916 each.
Result:
A gets a distribution of £8750
B C and D get a distribution of £ 20,416.
That is nearer 42% than half. And next year, let's nick some more and divvy it.[/size'"
But is not the agreement to be deducted one years worth of funding, in your example £17500 per club, over two years, which means we would indeed get £8750 for each year and the other £8750 indeed does gets divid up? I have not seen any reference to the agreement being that we receive 1/27th of the funding over two years, which is your first example
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"The same london that just got taken to the cleaners at widnes.'"
Yes the same London,we were terrible today and Cas not much better,worst game I have seen in years
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"But is not the agreement to be deducted one years worth of funding..'"
No. It is to receive half the distribution that other clubs do.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You are a liar and seemingly a racist. The half-money penalty was imposed at the last minute on a take-it-or-leave-it basis and to his credit OK took it despite it making no economic sense, the reason being he just wanted to stop the deal from foundering.
Do we need this sort of shiite on the forum?'"
No lies no racism.
Ring Sollly and Rimmer yourself if you don't believe it.
The rules are 6 points for not paying creditors.end of.
It was Ok"s suggestion and I stand by that.
The thinking behind it leaves me lost.
There is a public interest issue in making this fact known.
I would stand by what I say in the face of any unpleasant insult you wish to continue with.
Bulls now have a 30 year lease.
Full repairing.
They had a 140 year lease pre Hood sale.
Dispute that.
The place is dropping to bits and todays crowd is 2000 short of whats needed EVERY game to survive.
Dispute that.
Wages have not been reduced and indeed have been raised.
Dispute that.
None of it makes me happy.
But I am NOT been racist.
It matters not the creed colour or religion whoever made such a STUPID move is to be damned.
The whole damn lot of them who have taken it to this are culpable but Mr Ok wanted to be 100 per cent owner and as such the buck stops there.
Now ring Solly Richardson and Wood.
Noone else has had such a daft punishment.
It WAS invited by OK to ensure he won the bid.
Others were told that's what he had offered did they go along with it.
They all said it would be financial suicide and no way.
There is no racism in this.
Just amazement at a nonsensical suggestion that has left the Bulls hanging on by a thread.
And with todays crowd and result that thread has just got thinner.
You continue to be taken in by the nonsense.
Where in all the reporting have you ever seen Khan or Sutcliffe or the new lot demand the taking of sky money was wrong.
You cannot which supports my claim.
Plenty of begging that Kop deal was wrong (for which Hudd did pay something in the end)and begging for Akbar to stump up more donation,but NEVER questioning the RFL and Super League taking of central funding.
Odsal was in the accounts at over £5 million and as development land if they had gone bust may well have been worth that.
So in taking it "undervalue" at a million it has now been put at arms length out of £3 million worth of creditors in 2 years.
Bulls are very lucky to be alive and kicking.
I for one are very glad they are but am disgusted that those who have sought the ownership with only as much brass as the fans have continue to make a pigs ear of it.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You are a liar and seemingly a racist. The half-money penalty was imposed at the last minute on a take-it-or-leave-it basis and to his credit OK took it despite it making no economic sense, the reason being he just wanted to stop the deal from foundering.
Do we need this sort of shiite on the forum?'"
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| I know who noble and honest is, he knows the score.
Aardvark you are bang out of order.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No. It is to receive half the distribution that other clubs do.'"
As I said, I have not seen any reference to the deduction in those terms, can you please post the link to it.
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| And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
Think on, people.
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| Adeybull - Do you just blindly follow whoever is in charge? Why do you always discourage anyone who asks questions? You have done this when Hood, Khan and the Three Amigos have been in charge - why?
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| Quote ="feebleweasel"Adeybull - Do you just blindly follow whoever is in charge? Why do you always discourage anyone who asks questions? You have done this when Hood, Khan and the Three Amigos have been in charge - why?'"
I am doing no such thing.
Show me where I urged people to follow Khan? I was absent from these forums during much of his reign. Any idea why?
I am trying to urge Bulls fans to stop fighting EACH OTHER, ffs! That IS what both those quotes are about.
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| Quote ="feebleweasel"Adeybull - Do you just blindly follow whoever is in charge? Why do you always discourage anyone who asks questions? You have done this when Hood, Khan and the Three Amigos have been in charge - why?'"
No he doesnt.
If they feel discouraged after receiving a robust riposte to a pile of tripe, then they shouldnt ask stupid questions in the first place, the little diddums. go to a babys blog instead. the fact that you have to plead their case shows how pathetic they are in the first place.
No. Adey kept such a low profile as to be totally absent during OKs interregnum. To the point that a number of us asked desparingly "where is Adey when you need him?" Most of Adeys posts are to point out to simplistic trolls that the options facing whoever has the misfortune to be in charge at the bulls are somewhat more complicated than the total of everything that entered a trolls mind in its lifetime.
Feeble indeed and word.
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Quote ="Noble & Honest"No lies no racism.
Ring Sollly and Rimmer yourself if you don't believe it.
The rules are 6 points for not paying creditors.end of.
It was Ok"s suggestion and I stand by that.
The thinking behind it leaves me lost.
There is a public interest issue in making this fact known.
I would stand by what I say in the face of any unpleasant insult you wish to continue with.
Bulls now have a 30 year lease.
Full repairing.
They had a 140 year lease pre Hood sale.
Dispute that.
The place is dropping to bits and todays crowd is 2000 short of whats needed EVERY game to survive.
Dispute that.
Wages have not been reduced and indeed have been raised.
Dispute that.
None of it makes me happy.
But I am NOT been racist.
It matters not the creed colour or religion whoever made such a STUPID move is to be damned.
The whole damn lot of them who have taken it to this are culpable but Mr Ok wanted to be 100 per cent owner and as such the buck stops there.
Now ring Solly Richardson and Wood.
Noone else has had such a daft punishment.
It WAS invited by OK to ensure he won the bid.
Others were told that's what he had offered did they go along with it.
They all said it would be financial suicide and no way.
There is no racism in this.
Just amazement at a nonsensical suggestion that has left the Bulls hanging on by a thread.
And with todays crowd and result that thread has just got thinner.
You continue to be taken in by the nonsense.
Where in all the reporting have you ever seen Khan or Sutcliffe or the new lot demand the taking of sky money was wrong.
You cannot which supports my claim.
Plenty of begging that Kop deal was wrong (for which Hudd did pay something in the end)and begging for Akbar to stump up more donation,but NEVER questioning the RFL and Super League taking of central funding.
Odsal was in the accounts at over £5 million and as development land if they had gone bust may well have been worth that.
So in taking it "undervalue" at a million it has now been put at arms length out of £3 million worth of creditors in 2 years.
Bulls are very lucky to be alive and kicking.
I for one are very glad they are but am disgusted that those who have sought the ownership with only as much brass as the fans have continue to make a pigs ear of it.'"
Omar Khan didn't suggest giving up the sky funding, it was the only way the club could keep it's SL licence after a majority of the other clubs basically rail-roaded the RFL because they were unhappy with the clandestine "loans" that had been made
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... nding_cut/
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Quote ="Noble & Honest"No lies no racism.
Ring Sollly and Rimmer yourself if you don't believe it.
The rules are 6 points for not paying creditors.end of.
It was Ok"s suggestion and I stand by that.
The thinking behind it leaves me lost.
There is a public interest issue in making this fact known.
I would stand by what I say in the face of any unpleasant insult you wish to continue with.
Bulls now have a 30 year lease.
Full repairing.
They had a 140 year lease pre Hood sale.
Dispute that.
The place is dropping to bits and todays crowd is 2000 short of whats needed EVERY game to survive.
Dispute that.
Wages have not been reduced and indeed have been raised.
Dispute that.
None of it makes me happy.
But I am NOT been racist.
It matters not the creed colour or religion whoever made such a STUPID move is to be damned.
The whole damn lot of them who have taken it to this are culpable but Mr Ok wanted to be 100 per cent owner and as such the buck stops there.
Now ring Solly Richardson and Wood.
Noone else has had such a daft punishment.
It WAS invited by OK to ensure he won the bid.
Others were told that's what he had offered did they go along with it.
They all said it would be financial suicide and no way.
There is no racism in this.
Just amazement at a nonsensical suggestion that has left the Bulls hanging on by a thread.
And with todays crowd and result that thread has just got thinner.
You continue to be taken in by the nonsense.
Where in all the reporting have you ever seen Khan or Sutcliffe or the new lot demand the taking of sky money was wrong.
You cannot which supports my claim.
Plenty of begging that Kop deal was wrong (for which Hudd did pay something in the end)and begging for Akbar to stump up more donation,but NEVER questioning the RFL and Super League taking of central funding.
Odsal was in the accounts at over £5 million and as development land if they had gone bust may well have been worth that.
So in taking it "undervalue" at a million it has now been put at arms length out of £3 million worth of creditors in 2 years.
Bulls are very lucky to be alive and kicking.
I for one are very glad they are but am disgusted that those who have sought the ownership with only as much brass as the fans have continue to make a pigs ear of it.'"
Omar Khan didn't suggest giving up the sky funding, it was the only way the club could keep it's SL licence after a majority of the other clubs basically rail-roaded the RFL because they were unhappy with the clandestine "loans" that had been made
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... nding_cut/
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"The RFL this......
The other clubs that......
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Much as I want to I don't disagree with you. As far as I'm concerned it's done and past. But it does need to be continuously brought up - not out of self pity and woe is us but to slap these web-toed fsckwits from Bradford's satellite towns with. They want equal suffering to be seen to be done without having the capacity to see that has never happened, and cannot happen. None of us had the nine point deduction Doncaster got.
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| What pie.warrior said.
Sadly, that decision led to where we are now.
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| Quote ="rufio"Interview with Lamb on radio Leeds was good, talked a lot of sense.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Keith Mason here in the next week or so, from the way he was talking on the radio.'"
I dont get this. He hasnt even made a bid for the club and yet hes hiring props. FC said that they were assessing other prop options even before Carvell left, are we seeing a done hand over deal here? Lamb bids £1 more than bulls 14? Unless hes a big pile of cash behind him I am just not seeing what Lamb is adding to the business other than corporate entertainment. if hes heading a consortium perhaps there are other skills beside a pile of cash, but you would have thought he would put that in the shop window.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"I dont get this. '"
I don't get most things to do with the Bulls these days. Its easier to understand String Theory
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| Quote ="Cibaman"I don't get most things to do with the Bulls these days. Its easier to understand String Theory'"
If you DO, will you please explain it to me? I just can't see what the hell it's about!
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