The answer for Bradford?
Stop thinking you're a top 4 team...accept mid table competitiveness and get the "community feel" back to your club. Tempting people with cheap tickets is a race to the bottom.....deliver a product on and off the field that the entire family want to be associated with. Make Sunday at 3pm Bull Time....family's should plan their Sunday Lunch around the Bradford Bull at Home.... maybe do a Bulls version of come dine with me where rabid bulls fan family's take it turn to host each other....get it going on-line, in the programme etc...
Make an Event of EVERY home game...once the fixtures are out, plan 13 themed events and publicise them well....send every local school/club a book of 500 tickets telling them they can keep half the revenue from sales.....carry out CRM surveys on what people liked about their visit to your ground and what could do with improving.
On the Park, invest what you can afford.....if you rob peter to pay paul, you end up with your hand out AGAIN!

begging/bribing fans to come to games ain't a good look and in the end, it ultimately fails. If you want fan loyalty, then you have to earn it!

I resent being referred to as a troll.....I want all 14 teams and the clubs below to do well and makes my blood boil when I see the clusterf**king going on



Good luck for 2014,

The worst aspect of mystic eddie's attitude is that he despises and denigrates precisely those persistent fans who are actually keeping the club alive:


See? If I was not so "gullible", if like ME and others I could just "see the truth", then I would NOT sign up for another season, nobody would, we would have an attendance of Zero, and everything would then be great.

ME, we are not "gullible", we just love our team and we just love going to watch our team. And for most of us, that's how it always was, and always will be, unless people like you get their way, and everyone jumps ship, and the club dies. Your persistent denigration of dedicated Bulls supporters does you no credit.

I think it doesn't help when posters - not just yourself but in general - seem to only make comment and pass judgement when it's a negative story.

You should read the comments on our local paper the Telegraph and Argus, there are plenty on there ready to swoop in and tell us how we are when things go even a little bit wrong. Of course this happens at every club but you must see why this sudden and explosive interest in this story (and other previous "bad news" stories) could be deemed trolling?

Regarding your question about using the payment plan.The answer is yes you can, I set up a plan earlier this week and paid the first £60 there and then and 2 payments of £60 will come out on direct debit (November and January I believe).Plus i also got my free away shirt that day as well.

Nice selective quoting there FA. You did, of course, omit the final sentence of the paragraph,



And indeed you do.

Thanks for that, at least that's assured me a little.

Indeed you do.



Come on then, share your suspicions. What do you not have the cojones to accuse me of?



Correct. I do not know the facts. Just commenting on what was reported in the local media (in Gawthorpe-gate) but subsequwntly not denied by the club. In the case of Jay Willey, I did, of course, merely comment about her length of tenure, not the ins and outs of the case. We know the length of her service so it is indeed a fact.



Don't be so silly. What you know about me in order to enable you to make such a claim is curious. Like you say, stick to facts.



Ryan Whitcut would be better served getting his job done properly rather than spending time on social media. If he was not so distracted by what others had to say then he maybe would not forget to pay the bills.



Ok. What exactly is your definition of a fan?

PS, I see you ignored the "Inconvenient Truths" about the club I posted. Is this what a "real fan" does?

No it is NOT selective quoting, it is specifically referring to the thing I specifically intended to object to.

But, you suggest that the extra bit you emphasize makes it somehow better. It doesn't. It makes it worse by adding "bloody patronising" to the mix. You are in no way mitigating your insult that all these fans are just "gullible folowers" who will sign up because they because 'believe all they are spoon fed'.

For your information, pronouncements by the board of Northern / Bulls have NEVER played any part in my decision to keep going to games and supporting my team, and never will. And before you start, I don't claim to be in any way some special case. I would bet the vast majority of diehard season ticket holders would say similar.

Believe everything in the press? Who is doing that? Where did you read the quotes you attribute to Sutcliffe?

The simple fact that Khan has had his bag carriers making a great fuss over his investment in his own business. Are the reports of these people printed in the T&A not to be trusted?

Is only what the club puts out on it's website or through social media to be believed? So when Robbie Paul tried to gloss over the wages being unpaid as an administration error, he was being truthful?

When the club declined to announce it had been subject to a winding up petition by HMRC, it was being open & honest with fans?

No one forgets about tax bills. They ignore them because they haven't got the money to pay them. The club had spent what it should have put aside from income received. This is a business less than 12 months old & already it's governance & financial probity is in serious question.

You blamed football for the HMRC pursuing unpaid tax bills. I simply pointed out that the previous Bulls went under owing HMRC £500k & within just a few months the new incarnation has left HMRC waiting so long it issues proceedings.

Ryan Whitcut has claimed another administration error & claimed that the winding up order being made public is an attempt to destabilise the club. I'd say it was the club being exposed as being very badly run & those responsible trying to deflect the blame, wouldn't you?

The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.

Your crusade to save us is noble, and we the meek thank you for making us see the light. All the heathens will burn.

However, it still doesn't change the fact I like to go watch the rugby, and if it all crumbles down again then I'll go watch them play Rochdale or Keighley.

Thie terms you use just prove that you are a disingenuous stirrer, with some axe to grind, since we al know that pouring your own money into a sports club, especially a rugby league club, is no kind of "investment", and running a SL club is not the kind of "business" that a businessman "invests" in in order to make himself a profit.


"Rotten"? Explain your use of that word. It doesn't seem to relate to anything so far discussed. Why is it "rotten"?

"Political tie-ups"? What might they be, and in what way do they make the regime more "rotten"?

Just to be a bit pedantic of something earlier in the thread, JCT600 also dropped City a few years ago. Perhaps the new Bulls regime got a record breaking sponsorship deal that was worth more with Provident. Perhaps JCT600 didn't drop us at all.

(I'll leave aside what Provident do, as that was done to death at the time)

You're a big boy & can make your own decisions. I'm not looking to influence what any Bradford bulls fan does. This is about the clubs owner & those he has around him.

Disingenuous? I think I've been quite specific & to the point. Stirrer? For dealing in facts? Pointing out relationships between those running the club?

What axe to grind?

khan bought the assets at Odsal & has a 30 year sub lease on it from the RFL. The Bulls are just part of the equation at Odsal.

The assets have & will be used to make money. Who has the hospitality catering contract, for example?

Pop concert & Mela profits didn't go to the Bulls as they were run by a separate company that took the profit.

Sutcliffe's whines about not selling enough season tickets... trying to guilt trip fans into making sure Khan could avoid further investment than his purchase price.

You need to go into the offices at Odsal & see the pictures of Khan & Sutcliffe going back many years. Khan has funded his political career.

Whitcut is Khan's long time right hand yes man. he does & says what he's told to.

Bradford is a Labour council. Sutcliffe is the Labour MP for the constituency the club is in. His office manager is also a Bulls director. Former Bradford Labour leader Greenwood is also a director.

Bradford Labour council provides an unsecured £200k loan to OK Bulls.

Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation.

Perhaps JCT600 saw City as better value for money & providing more of a profile? 2 Wembley's & a huge amount of TV coverage across all channels?

You only have the word of those at the Bulls that the Provident deal is record breaking. Perhaps they were 'Bulling Up' what they had got?

Why would a sponsor offer a record breaking deal to a club that had not seen the play offs since 2008?

Provident were lined up to sponsor the Challenge Cup, but they instead chose to offer record money to the Bulls?

I hope those were rhetorical questions!

All I know is after about a decade of free-fall, City finally got themselves on stable ground financially*, found a manager that gave them a footballing foothold and have done well last season, pre-Parkinson City were flirting with the oblivion of non-league football for two seasons. This is their on-going progress of rebuilding from numerous administrations. We're at that stage now, there are problems and will probably be more, yet some seem gleeful to stick the boot in.

(* or so we're told, as stable as a football club at level can be I imagine)

Dare I say you seem knowledgable of those involved at Bradford, so at least have some interest in the club. As a fan or not of t'Bulls, what do you think is on store for us in the forseeable?

Thereby in one post confirming yourself as both a nasty piece of work, and as a reincarnation of the previous troll you used to be.

Careful, your agenda is showing. FYI he wasn't sold a pup, he was sold the mighty, famous and historic Bradford rugby league club. In comparison to which, trolling amoeba such as yourself are of zero significance.


Yes. It was.


Perhaps i don't, but being lazy, just enlighten me, in quick bullet points, what you think are the main things of relevance that i would learn, if I did somehow "take a closer look" at this "relationship".?


What a stupid analysis. You seem to be an economic ignoramus. With respect etc.


OK Bulls Limited is a long time funder of Gerry Sutcliffe? That's a new one on me. No doubt you will be able to provide some evidence of this arrangement, though as OKBL has only existed a year I don't see how it could long time, and I can tell you before you bluff your answer, for a fact, that OKBL has never paid a penny to fund GSMP.


Now you are shifting the goalposts. But at the same time, he can't win. If he reveals that he is putting more money in, he is damned. If he doesn't reveal he is putting more money, why, he's damned too for secrecy and not being open with the fans. To me, the announcement that OK was arranging to make another 900K available toi the club served a number of purposes, one being to provide public reassurance and confidence. But if you want to believe all he was doing was bigging himself up, go right ahead.


Except that that's just plain wrong. So do you have an actual example? You know, one that is, er, "correct"? No? Didn't think so.


There you go again, getting all carried away. City (who had a great season) scraped the last promotion spot in the playoffs, to finally escape from the 4th division to the 3rd. That's all. I applaud them and I am pleased fro them but we play in the premier division of our sport not somewhere down in the lower leagues. It is an achievement, but escaping teh bottom division after many years of failure is not the "success" you suggest. the only additional factor last year was City's prominence due to their Cup run. They seem to have decided to reduce their prominence this season as they are already out of 2 cups.


Never! You don't say?! Well, I'm glad I was sitting down. An astonsihing insight. Has this ever happened before anywhere?

Of course, it is an irrelevance. It would only be relevant if the Bradford fans were like ball bearings on a tray, and would all roll from the City end to the Bulls end, or vice versa, depending which was higher. Actually, while tere is some overlap, it really doesn't work like that. If both teams were doing well then both teams would get good crowds. And in the past, have.

Eh? It was a light hearted comment on how even the most seemingly level headed & knowledgeable Bulls fan may well be feeling with the revelations continuing to emerge after the disaster of Hood et al.

Biffa, I've quite enjoyed you but you're beginning to stretch it. For example,

"Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation".

Which organisation?
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it?
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get?
Who is investigating?
What is being investigated?

Yours is an interesting thesis but I'm afraid it requires a tad more evidence than your offering. There can hardly be an adult in the country who doesn't have links to a club, charity, workplace where an investigation of some kind has taken place.

I genuinely have no interest in the Bulls, but do wish them to survive & prosper. They have some great fans who are going through thin times.

What does concern me is that the mob now in control are, in my opinion as bad as, if not worse than the last lot.
A closed, secretive little clique who have no intention of being open & honest with the supporters they expect to sustain their business.

The disdain they are showing towards fans will come back to bite them very badly. Sutcliffe is a politician. Politicians by nature are liars, deceitful & evasive, appealing only to their core demographic to keep their jobs.
This is not the road to go down for the Bulls, in my opinion.

The Bulls need to have city wide, fresh, untainted appeal. Instead they have a politically incestuous, less than open & honest bunch with a patriarchal egomaniac at the head of it all.

Sutcliffe's boasts about investment from Qatar have come to zero. Jay Willey didn't seem to be around long. Kate Hardcastle hasn't uttered a word for a long time. This talk of a 14 person board is laughable.

I see the Bulls being outside of the top 6-8 clubs for quite some time to come.

But it's all we had. Come 1st September 2012, Guilfoyle was going to liquidate the club so he didn't have to find money for that month's wages.

I don't know these, I didn't know the last board, I see them both as suits at the top table. I believe what the current board say in the same way the I believed what the last did. Not because I'm gullible, but because that's all there is and in a way that doesn't matter to the majority of fans, most won't 'care' to find the difference between the truth and what we're told, they want the club to do well and are happy with the frontage, the facade, the spoonfed nature.

I could tell you a pack of lies and you may believe it, because you'd know no different. The context is almost irrelevant. It's a bit random but it's probably best how to explain it IMO.

... and also, you could see why it was construed as trolling. Like gutterfax you say you have no interest in Bradford and yet are very vocal in the negative aspect of the thread.

Do some research into Bradford Trident, what it was about, who was behind it, who earned from it, what it actually achieved etc etc.

Let me be quite clear, I have nothing against the Bulls team or it's supporters. I think they are being led a merry dance by a bunch of shysters.