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| Quote ="nestegg"No. They cannot (allegedly) be trusted at all as evidenced by their past performance in respect of the Bulls. This allegation includes a former senior officer, who may be holding all the strings.
If the RFL and Sawyer put in another temporary puppet it will as a minimum be challenged by the nesteggers and the national press.'"
If you’re telling the truth and you have the knowledge and contacts to gain national press coverage on this scandal, then why haven’t you done this before?
This isn’t the first time we’ve been in such a position. Why would your ‘group’ of bulls fans with funds and know how not have come forward before?
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"No it's complete waffle from either Mick or RFL. '"
Or equally likely, both.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"If you’re telling the truth and you have the knowledge and contacts to gain national press coverage on this scandal, then why haven’t you done this before?
This isn’t the first time we’ve been in such a position. Why would your ‘group’ of bulls fans with funds and know how not have come forward before?'"
Why did we not act in the past? Because, if we had formerly put in a bid etc, as DT did in early 2017, then the RFL would have determined the FPPT outcome based on purely subjective grounds and would have rejected us. Said FPPT is in itself 'not fit for purpose' as it has failed, well at least in respect of the Bulls, so many times. Will the RFL reject us now? Let's see.
As for national press coverage, if you don't believe us, then ignore us. We won't lose any sleep over it. If, however, you have a modicum of faith in us, then be patient.
By the way Ewen we hear a rumour that many actively posting members on this Bulls sub-forum have in the past season not attended many (if any) Bulls fixtures.
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| RL media seem to think a positive outcome will happen in next 24 hours (where have we heard that one before) I seem to recall our last meltdown some in the media were saying there was due to be a an unveiling along with photos of the new owners outside of Odsal, only for us to be liquidated days later.
I take positive outcome as we will avoid admin, rather than a bright new future.
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| Quote ="nestegg"Comments:
2) BMDC - we can deal with them; for the main part we are confident they are on our side. They will benefit politically from a community based project, and a bit of cash. '"
Pure waffle. i could deal with BMC. Anyone could.
Quote 3) RFL - watch this space, covenant re RL being played at Odsal ran out end May this year. That said we have very good SE contacts/ insiders and that is very helpful re a sustainable way forward. '"
1) Everybody knows the covenant ran out (2) Nobody gives a shoite about you claimed contacts, why would SE contacts help anyway, the only parties relevant at this time apart from the poor fans are a) RFL b) creditors. We all know BMC won't be putting a penny in any pot.
Quote 5) Head lease value - 2012 re-assignment sum was in the order of £1.2M. Currently woefully undervalued at circa £750K. Watch this space re what happens next re lease; can't say any more for legal reasons, and because it's horrendously convoluted.'"
Value of headlease is irrelevant to our plight, BMC is the landlord, RFL owns the headlease. One major question is and always has been exactly how the RFL plan to save Odsal for RL and keep the vulktures off, when nobody is playing RL there. "Watch this space" is just arrssewash. There are no convolutions. RFL are in a corner and having acquired the lease for the reasons stated, can hardly now dispose of it other than with some cast-iron rugby guarantee, which nobody would give. You take us all for mugs.
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7) Why did RFL acquire the head lease - land grab allegedly. '"
Alleged by who? We all know the mechanics of how the RFL acquired the lease, it is all public. How is buying a lease a "land grab", when even someone as all over the place as you must know that being a tenant grabs you precisely no land at all, just a temporary right to occupy some?
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The future of Odsal and its environs needs to be community based and sports based.'"
Except it doesn't. It could be, literally, anything, anything at all, as long as BMC gave planning consent.
Quote Hope that to some degree helps. '"
Helps confirm you are a waffler, yes.
Quote Most of the above is already in the public domain.'"
Most of your drivel is not anything specific, so is not "in the public domain", but just idle chit chat. NOTHING you have ever posted was anything NOT in the public domain, and when you skirt near such a point, you simply bluff that you "can't say any more". You have been posting ten to the dozen but have to date said precisly nothing.
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If you have any other reasonable and politely worded questions we will do our best to answer them as openly as possible given the current circumstances and the ever evolving real news, and fake news, stories.'"
"Any other"? Forgive me for laughing. You infer that you have answered a host of other questions, but ask if by chance ther are any more! When you have not answered anything, you seem to be posting for no reason whatsoever that I can discern , except perhaps to upset fans players and anyone connected with the club alike. Nobody has learned a single thing from you, and I doubt ever will.
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| Quote ="nestegg"Why did we not act in the past? Because, if we had formerly put in a bid etc, as DT did in early 2017, then the RFL would have determined the FPPT outcome based on purely subjective grounds and would have rejected us. Said FPPT is in itself 'not fit for purpose' as it has failed, well at least in respect of the Bulls, so many times. Will the RFL reject us now? Let's see.
As for national press coverage, if you don't believe us, then ignore us. We won't lose any sleep over it. If, however, you have a modicum of faith in us, then be patient.
By the way Ewen we hear a rumour that many actively posting members on this Bulls sub-forum have in the past season not attended many (if any) Bulls fixtures.'"
I don’t think it’s a rumour - many on here have confirmed they’ve lost their passion and don’t attend regularly.
If that was aimed at me, I’ve continued to be a season ticket throughout each mess and have continued to attend all home games. I used to attend all away games too, unfortunately I haven’t made many this season. Not a decision as such, perhaps just a slow draining away of the desire to go.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Pure waffle.
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Nobody has learned a single thing from you, and I doubt ever will.'"
Where is the 'like' button when you need it??? ![CLAP eusa_clap.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_clap.gif)
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Pure waffle. i could deal with BMC. Anyone could.
1) Everybody knows the covenant ran out (2) Nobody gives a shoite about you claimed contacts, why would SE contacts help anyway, the only parties relevant at this time apart from the poor fans are a) RFL b) creditors. We all know BMC won't be putting a penny in any pot.
Value of headlease is irrelevant to our plight, BMC is the landlord, RFL owns the headlease. One major question is and always has been exactly how the RFL plan to save Odsal for RL and keep the vulktures off, when nobody is playing RL there. "Watch this space" is just arrssewash. There are no convolutions. RFL are in a corner and having acquired the lease for the reasons stated, can hardly now dispose of it other than with some cast-iron rugby guarantee, which nobody would give. You take us all for mugs.
Alleged by who? We all know the mechanics of how the RFL acquired the lease, it is all public. How is buying a lease a "land grab", when even someone as all over the place as you must know that being a tenant grabs you precisely no land at all, just a temporary right to occupy some?
Except it doesn't. It could be, literally, anything, anything at all, as long as BMC gave planning consent.
Helps confirm you are a waffler, yes.
Most of your drivel is not anything specific, so is not "in the public domain", but just idle chit chat. NOTHING you have ever posted was anything NOT in the public domain, and when you skirt near such a point, you simply bluff that you "can't say any more". You have been posting ten to the dozen but have to date said precisly nothing.
"Any other"? Forgive me for laughing. You infer that you have answered a host of other questions, but ask if by chance ther are any more! When you have not answered anything, you seem to be posting for no reason whatsoever that I can discern , except perhaps to upset fans players and anyone connected with the club alike. Nobody has learned a single thing from you, and I doubt ever will.'"
Possibly the best ever post ever submitted on here.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I don’t think it’s a rumour - many on here have confirmed they’ve lost their passion and don’t attend regularly.
If that was aimed at me, I’ve continued to be a season ticket throughout each mess and have continued to attend all home games. I used to attend all away games too, unfortunately I haven’t made many this season. Not a decision as such, perhaps just a slow draining away of the desire to go.'"
I wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. I haven't been in nearly 2 years now because of issues I have with the current regime. I could argue my 16 straight season tickets prior to that, home & away support and every shirt bought for 25 years would qualify me an opinion, but I don't need to. Because anyone is entitled whether they attend 1 or 2 games every now and again or whether they abandon all other life to travel to Toronto, Toulouse and every other ground.
Anyone who was genuinely interested in taking over the club would think twice about alienating supporters who have drifted away. A serious bidder would want to try and find ways to get those people back, to supplement those who are still around. Further evidence that this poster is full of it.
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| Who or what is SE ?
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| Quote ="Johnbulls"Possibly the best ever post ever submitted on here.'"
Pah, not a patch on anything ever produced in the JVT thread. Legendary.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Who or what is SE ?'"
I'm guessing Sport England.
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| Quote ="Scarey71"I'm guessing Sport England.'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Pure waffle. i could deal with BMC. Anyone could.
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Thank you for emotive words which have for obvious reasons been snipped.
In reality you with respect do not really have a clue as to what (allegedly) has gone on, and is still going on, with regard to the bigger picture.
The RFL as head lessee can within reason re-assign the lease on to whoever they want with substantial uplift bonuses based on Odsal's development potential, and given that scenario you may ask yourself who may be the 'hidden' beneficiaries.
AC was offered the chance to buy the head lease earlier this year with said uplift bonuses incorporated, but we understand his backer saw through the fact that AC had (allegedly) nothing to contribute to the pot. You may well then ask why didn't the RFL then go direct to a developer; the answer is a bit complicated, but the Council and Sport England (SE) would likely have objected to such a direct and openly profiteering approach. BMDC will we understand prefer a more community based approach for Odsal.
In any event after AC had to 'pull out' it all rapidly went pear shaped. AC did, however, do what he was allegedly instructed to do by his puppet master and he got the Bulls out of Odsal based on what were bogus reasons as was fully explained (with financials to back up our argument) in one of our earlier posts.
You clearly do not understand the reference to the alleged land grab. Well those in the know do understand; and you may eventually pick up on it when its too late.
If the RFL do sell on the head lease then we predict that the alleged land grab will to all intents and purposes have succeeded and the Bulls will no longer be required as an alleged cover for their dastardly plot, and whatever puppet is the owner at the time will have fulfilled their purpose and would then in all likelihood benefit financially as a result of their purported duplicity.
The above surely explains why credible bidders for the Bulls such as David Thorne were rejected out of hand after BBNL folded in late 2016. The reason was because Thorne would not allow himself to become a puppet, and he would have rightfully resisted the Bulls leaving Odsal at the end of the 2019 season. More importantly, AC was we are told (on very good authority) lined up to take over the Bulls by the RFL in mid 2016, i.e. several months before Marc Green's Bulls went into administration. That is not a fair and open nor professional 'bidding' process and was an insult to the the forthcoming administrator, Gary Petit of PBC, who in effect had to allegedly operate with the RFL tying one of his hands behind his back.
Yes, some of the above is in the public domain, but the analysis is not.
Notwithstanding the above there is of course a possibility that we may be wrong, and that all our informants etc in respect of these alleged issues are, or were, mistaken.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"I wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. I haven't been in nearly 2 years now because of issues I have with the current regime. I could argue my 16 straight season tickets prior to that, home & away support and every shirt bought for 25 years would qualify me an opinion, but I don't need to. Because anyone is entitled whether they attend 1 or 2 games every now and again or whether they abandon all other life to travel to Toronto, Toulouse and every other ground.
Anyone who was genuinely interested in taking over the club would think twice about alienating supporters who have drifted away. A serious bidder would want to try and find ways to get those people back, to supplement those who are still around. Further evidence that this poster is full of it.'"
We don't blame you for staying away, so pl don't get so touchy.
Incidentally, do you think that the CB consortium, or now the MS consortium with CB as SCC/RFL go between, are going the right way about getting some of the disillusioned fans back in to the fold?
Anyhow, if a new, truly unfettered consortium with financial backing appear on the scene we predict you and many thousands of others will eventually come back.
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| Im expecting an announcement regarding a sale in the next 24 hours, then plans for the club and returning to Odsal at the forum. Also assurances regarding the academy, competitive squad, living within our means, support from the loyal fans, an announcement that Special measures is finished and a plea to support your club. You know, all the usual stuff...
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| Quote ="Surely not"https://twitter.com/marcngreen/status/693737437831548928?s=09
Nothing ever changed really..'"
I consider sharing this an act of treason.
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"Any other"? Forgive me for laughing. You infer that you have answered a host of other questions, but ask if by chance ther are any more! When you have not answered anything, you seem to be posting for no reason whatsoever that I can discern , except perhaps to upset fans players and anyone connected with the club alike. Nobody has learned a single thing from you, and I doubt ever will.'"
I enjoyed your post FA. Especially this part.
They have answered nothing indeed. The only real question been levelled at them is "who the hell are you?", and we're all familiar with the "response" to that one.
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| Can somebody enlighten me why they think the "Fond of KFC one" is pulling the strings and what they stand to gain?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Can somebody enlighten me why they think the "Fond of KFC one" is pulling the strings and what they stand to gain?'"
I'm not sure you'll find definite evidence (although I don't doubt that Nestegg will claim to have some that he cannot, of course, share with us mere mortals...)
This has been doing the rounds as a rumour for many, many years - going right back to the Hood / Lease fiasco. Apparently Wood has been spotted in the Executive boxes at Odsal many times - not sure if that's even relevant. But it comes up every time we hit trouble.
Only this weekend he was given every opportunity to deny his involvement (see League Express) but declined to do so.
In short, I know nothing... but I'm willing to make something up to make myself feel important like a certain other poster on this thread ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Even if it is true and the fellow fatster is pulli g the strings, what does he stand to gain from all of this?
Surely if he had good intentions for the club then administration after administration due to cherry picking the best candidate wouldn't have been on the agenda?
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| Hope I won’t get in trouble for admitting this.... I pinched a very small bit of turf from Odsal on the last day.
Despite my best efforts, it’s ended up dying. Although not quite the same slow, painful death, it does seem a suitable metaphor for our once great club.
It sounds like the players won’t be paid if any new owner doesn’t have cash to put in straight away.
If we survive, why would any player want to stay, let alone sign for us?
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| Anybody know what the old poster under the name ‘frank whitcombe’ is doing these days? He always knew exactly what was happening and was 100% about the purchase of the club by a wealthy consortium before that proved to be false and AC took centre stage....:
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| It’s all a very strange situation this time round. I’ve been a season ticket holder for as along as I can remember. Home and away with friends and family. Bought merchandise and attended events. Really enjoyed my hobby and even when I moved away I travelled the just short of 100 miles to home games and continued to travel to away games.
BUT I saw the statement earlier, scanned over it and thought ‘meh whatever’. Que sera sera... dangerous but very common feeling at the moment.
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