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| The whole thing is equal parts tragic and farcical.
We have fans forums scheduled with a faceless group of people who nobody can even name. Apparently another consortium (again, faceless) in the wings. Is this anything to do with 'nestegg'. Who can know?
I'm just too jaded to really care anymore.
Put the whole thing out its misery. Liquidate the club and start over as Bradford Northern in League 1 playing out of Horsfall with absolutely no connection with the current or previous versions. No Duffy, no McFarlane, no RFL puppet masters. no Nigel Wood, no Nestegg
A complete fresh start. Or I'm out ![HAND eusa_hand.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_hand.gif)
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"I'm just too jaded to really care anymore.'"
I feel you. I am sick to the back teeth of all the smoke and mirrors now. Even whoever is posting this on the website is hiding behind anonymity. I think I've had enough now, never mind after all the arsing about is done with. When it looked like Chalmers might be going, my interest peaked up. I think now it's at it's lowest ever point and I'm not sure I'm even going to bother reading any more about it.
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| I'm expecting Chris Caisley to get out of the shower and we can realise that the last 13 years were just a dream.
Noble has just turned down the Wigan job and Stuart Fielden is spearheaded a Bulls side well on it's way to 6th back to back grand final.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"A further update coming up shortly apparently.
Statement from consortium
FOLLOWING THE STATEMENT FROM CHRIS BRERETON THE CONSORTIUM LOOKING TO TAKE OVER THE CLUB HAS TODAY ISSUED THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE.
We would like to thank Chris for all his hard work over the past weeks, moving the club into a position where a transition can take place from Andrew and the previous board to new investors.
We are sure it was a very difficult decision for Chris and we thoroughly understand and respect his reasons for standing down from the consortium at this time.
Although Chris stepping down is disappointing, it won’t affect the resolve of the remaining group and we are hopeful of some positive news at the first fans forum tomorrow night.
We look forward to speaking with all the fans who have managed to secure a ticket for either tomorrow or Wednesday nights fans forums.'"
I hope they do a really showbiz reveal.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I hope they do a really showbiz reveal.'"
I think Emma Willis is booked to do it. "And the person behind the consortium waiting to take over the club is........................................................................................................................................................#PAUSES FOR 4 MONTHS# The owner of Wibsey Fisheries"
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| with the amount of smoke and mirrors, surely a "stars in their eyes" reveal with Matthew Kelly would be more appropriate?
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| Quote ="phillgee"with the amount of smoke and mirrors, surely a "stars in their eyes" reveal with Matthew Kelly would be more appropriate?'"
The tealady has her curlers in preparation for her big reveal....
Mick is hiding in her urn.
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| Quote ="phillgee"with the amount of smoke and mirrors, surely a "stars in their eyes" reveal with Matthew Kelly would be more appropriate?'"
Stars in their ar5e
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| Tonight Matthew I'm going to be...a bit disappointing.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Tonight Matthew I'm going to be...a bit disappointing.'"
You forgot the hashtag #positiverugbyleague
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| Quote ="PHILISAN"Our heritage and history I am proud of and irreplaceable to me, but the legacy left is beyond comprehension and has now seen the Club's modern day Branding tarnished and it's standing all but demolished. We need a new Club and a rename if ever there is a possibility.'"
The Bradford Rams - we jest; others sadly may not be jesting !
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| Quote ="nestegg"The Bradford Rams - we jest; others sadly may not be jesting !'"
You seem to say a lot without telling us anything, clever. ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif)
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"The whole thing is equal parts tragic and farcical.
We have fans forums scheduled with a faceless group of people who nobody can even name. Apparently another consortium (again, faceless) in the wings. Is this anything to do with 'nestegg'. Who can know?
I'm just too jaded to really care anymore.
Put the whole thing out its misery. Liquidate the club and start over as Bradford Northern in League 1 playing out of Horsfall with absolutely no connection with the current or previous versions. No Duffy, no McFarlane, no RFL puppet masters. no Nigel Wood, =#FF0040no Nestegg
A complete fresh start. Or I'm out
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Thank you Paul ! - when (if ever) did you attend charm school?
Anyhow, in all seriousness your current cynicism is understandable and you will of course remain wary until the time comes that the eggheads show our hand (and faces) in an open and transparent manner, and with a credible plan and cash in hand.
For the avoidance of doubt we are NOT simply seeking 5 mins in the spotlight. May on occasions not look that way, but this has been in the planning for several months.
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| WE are FÂŁ$%^KED
good old RFL put owners in place then 2-3 years later they fold and RFL say its not our fault, well i as a lot of others think you are part of the problem.
A BIG part of the problem
Angry,PI$D off, Hurt, demoralised, and all the rest.
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| Quote ="zapperbull"WE are FÂŁ$%^KED
good old RFL put owners in place then 2-3 years later they fold and RFL say its not our fault, well i as a lot of others think you are part of the problem.
A BIG part of the problem
Angry,PI$D off, Hurt, demoralised, and all the rest.'"
Hold on to that anger because it proves you still are emotionally invested. WAY too many of us have tipped over into apathy and I find that quite disturbing. It's certainly a factor that anyone taking over need to keep in mind.
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| So, if it's all about the land & the lease. Who stands to gain? Council, obviously, as the freeholders. Rfl as the leaseholders. Don't know what covenants are still in play. Bulls are only going to get a few crumbs now, if they're lucky.
When the RFL paid ÂŁ1.5m for the lease - was that market value, under market value?
I can't find it, but I remember the last time we had a sporting village plan in place (pre-banking crash), It was going to cost about ÂŁ80m. There was an article (and my memory is hazy) but I think Yorkshire forward were paying ÂŁ4m, Sport England were in for ÂŁ2m, there were other grants, Tesco was paying a big chunk and Caiseley was asked how much Bulls were putting in and I think he said the Bulls were putting in the value of the land, as long leaseholders, which was ÂŁ7m. I know land values dropped a lot after the crash, but ÂŁ5.5m?
Legally, what the RFL have done, and reported to have done, and is in the public domain, seems fine. But ethically, if they took advantage of a financially distressed member club and relieved them of their last asset for a knock down price, that has always sat poorly with me.
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| Quote ="phillgee"with the amount of smoke and mirrors, surely a "stars in their eyes" reveal with Matthew Kelly would be more appropriate?'"
If it were one of the celebrity specials, and say hypothetically with an RL twist, which celebrity do you think would, or even could, impersonate Nigel Wood ?
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| Quote ="nestegg"If it were one of the celebrity specials, and say hypothetically a RL version thereof, which celebrity do you think would, or even could, impersonate Nigel Wood ?'"
The go compare bloke
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| Quote ="nestegg"Thank you Paul ! - when (if ever) did you attend charm school? '"
Byrom St.
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| Quote ="nestegg"Thank you Paul ! - when (if ever) did you attend charm school?
Anyhow, in all seriousness your current cynicism is understandable and you will of course remain wary until the time comes that the eggheads show our hand (and faces) in an open and transparent manner, and with a credible plan and cash in hand.
For the avoidance of doubt we are NOT simply seeking 5 mins in the spotlight. May on occasions not look that way, but this has been in the planning for several months.'"
In the extremely unlikely event that you're not a Fax fan trying to be funny, I'd rather not have a club than have one be run in the pompous and arrogant way you post on here.
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| Quote ="Highlander"So, if it's all about the land & the lease. Who stands to gain? Council, obviously, as the freeholders. Rfl as the leaseholders. Don't know what covenants are still in play. Bulls are only going to get a few crumbs now, if they're lucky.
When the RFL paid ÂŁ1.5m for the lease - was that market value, under market value?
I can't find it, but I remember the last time we had a sporting village plan in place (pre-banking crash), It was going to cost about ÂŁ80m. There was an article (and my memory is hazy) but I think Yorkshire forward were paying ÂŁ4m, Sport England were in for ÂŁ2m, there were other grants, Tesco was paying a big chunk and Caiseley was asked how much Bulls were putting in and I think he said the Bulls were putting in the value of the land, as long leaseholders, which was ÂŁ7m. I know land values dropped a lot after the crash, but ÂŁ5.5m?
Legally, what the RFL have done, and reported to have done, and is in the public domain, seems fine. But ethically, if they took advantage of a financially distressed member club and relieved them of their last asset for a knock down price, that has always sat poorly with me.'"
Comments:
1) You are right to a certain degree, and doubtless you are referring to Odsal;
2) BMDC - we can deal with them; for the main part we are confident they are on our side. They will benefit politically from a community based project, and a bit of cash.
3) RFL - watch this space, covenant re RL being played at Odsal ran out end May this year. That said we have very good SE contacts/ insiders and that is very helpful re a sustainable way forward.
4) Bulls; crumbs - wrong. We allege that AC et al could have been looking for a substantial share of a full 'Odsal' loaf !.
5) Head lease value - 2012 re-assignment sum was in the order of ÂŁ1.2M. Currently woefully undervalued at circa ÂŁ750K. Watch this space re what happens next re lease; can't say any more for legal reasons, and because it's horrendously convoluted.
6) Caisley - largely ancient history.
7) Why did RFL acquire the head lease - land grab allegedly. The future of Odsal and its environs needs to be community based and sports based.
Hope that to some degree helps. Most of the above is already in the public domain. If you have any other reasonable and politely worded questions we will do our best to answer them as openly as possible given the current circumstances and the ever evolving real news, and fake news, stories.
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| Mick tweeting
Quote Just spoken to the RFL and they say that positive news regarding the #BradfordBulls is very close.'"
Is there a single person on this forum who can trust the RFL with anything to do with this? ![Evil or Very Mad icon_evil.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_evil.gif)
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| The RFLs view of positive news is clearly stratospherically different to mine. Good news, we've appointed a guy who owns 2 restaurants. Good news we've appointed a man who sells beds. Good news we've sold to a shady shyster. Good news a man from New Zealand has begrudgingly agreed to take over. It's all balls.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Mick tweeting
Is there a single person on this forum who can trust the RFL with anything to do with this?
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No it's complete waffle from either Mick or RFL.
It's b0110cks basically isn't it?
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Mick tweeting
Is there a single person on this forum who can trust the RFL with anything to do with this?
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No. They cannot (allegedly) be trusted at all as evidenced by their past performance in respect of the Bulls. This allegation includes a former senior officer, who may be holding all the strings.
If the RFL and Sawyer put in another temporary puppet it will as a minimum be challenged by the nesteggers and the national press.
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