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| Quote ="Cassandra"Is a rumour the same as a speculation?'"
Yes. But different from prediction.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"Is a rumour the same as a speculation?'"
Not necessarily.
Any individual can speculate but it remains speculation until it is taken up by others who then pass it on as a truth. When this 'truth' is passed around it then becomes a rumour.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Not necessarily.
Any individual can speculate but it remains speculation until it is taken up by others who then pass it on as a truth. When this 'truth' is passed around it then becomes a rumour.'"
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| Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"Considering I actually know John. Bradford was offered a £300,000 transfer from Warrington (we all knew that).
He also was asked to join Newcastle, Wests Tigers and I believe Penrith also wanted him.
However he will remain a Bradford player so long as their is a SL Bradford team to play for.'"
Your not the only one that knows John and Im telling you he has signed a 3yr deal with Hull FC regardless of what happens to the Bulls. Did John actually tell you himself what his future holds?
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| Quote ="Leeds lover"Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"Considering I actually know John. Bradford was offered a £300,000 transfer from Warrington (we all knew that).
He also was asked to join Newcastle, Wests Tigers and I believe Penrith also wanted him.
However he will remain a Bradford player so long as their is a SL Bradford team to play for.'"
Your not the only one that knows John and Im telling you he has signed a 3yr deal with Hull FC regardless of what happens to the Bulls. Did John actually tell you himself what his future holds?'"
Wasn't it reported that it was only the out of contract players that are eligible to discuss their futures with other clubs?
Don't get me wrong I'm well aware that behind closed doors every player will have a plan B, however from what's been reported it would seem that if Bradford remain in SL John will stay at Bradford for the immediate future. And then it will be up to the new owners to agree to any transfer fees offered for contracted players.
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| Quote ="Leeds lover"Your not the only one that knows John and Im telling you he has signed a 3yr deal with Hull FC regardless of what happens to the Bulls. Did John actually tell you himself what his future holds?'"
Another one of these.
It was Warrington last month. Nailed on.
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| To be fair, I've also heard that Bateman is Hull bound.
I have a mate playing @ Huddersfield, who said them and Warrington were battling it out for his signature, when Hull came in last minute and he signed for them.
Heard this about a month ago, but hoping it wasn't true!
Apparently, on one of the SL shows this week, (SL full time, i think) they mentioned that Gale was on his way to Huddersfield.
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| Quote Crucially, the core of their squad, players such as Luke Gale, Brett Kearney, Heath L’Estrange, John Bateman, Craig Kopczak and Jamie Langley, are signed up for 2013.'"
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| Quote ="jockabull"[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls/super-league-rivals-provide-chance-for-bradford-bulls-to-secure-future-1-4856718[/url'"
certain fans of other clubs who've been virtually gloating over which of our under contract players they were getting next year are going to be disappointed by that tidbit
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| Quote ="mat"certain fans of other clubs who've been virtually gloating over which of our under contract players they were getting next year are going to be disappointed by that tidbit
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Should have included this bit...
Quote These would have been able to join Super League rivals for free if Bradford were demoted and, indeed, many are understandably already thought to be lined up for moves.'"
Maybe suggests that what people are talking about are the Plan B's for these players.
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| Well I expect most players will have signed agreements to sign with others if they're made free agents, and that would include Gale, Koppy and Bateman amongst others.
However if we continue in SL those players still under contract will remain with us I reckon, unless a new buyer decides he wants to sell.
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| The other one is Whitehead. He agreed a 5yr deal back in March which the RFL wouldn't ratify due to "special measures". Some re-negotiation to be done there I think.
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| Aye. Same with O'Brien too IIRC.
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| Quote ="Highlander"The other one is Whitehead. He agreed a 5yr deal back in March which the RFL wouldn't ratify due to "special measures". Some re-negotiation to be done there I think.'"
Renegotiation maybe but the five yr deal was an extension to his existing one. So even if the 5yr deal isn't cast in stone he should be covered for next yr under his original deal.
I don't doubt players have deals lined up in event we aren't in SL next year, but there backup plans and their original bulls deals will take precedence if we stay in SL.
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| Quote ="WakeyManDan8"I've heard the following:
4. Chev Walker 2012
6. Ben Jeffries 2012 - Back to Australia, not sure if he is retiring or playing in the second tier.
11. Olivier Elima 2012 - Catalan Dragons.
15. Bryn Hargreaves 2012 - Wakefield or Widnes.
16. Manase Manuokafoa 2012
17. Ian Sibbit 2012 - Retiring.
18. Shaun Ainscough 2012 - Castleford.
20. James Donaldson 2012 - Huddersfield.
21. Tom Burgess 2012 - Confirmed to Souths.
22. Jarrod Sammut 2012 - Huddersfield.
23. Danny Addy 2012 - Castleford.
24. Jason Crookes 2012 - Hull FC.
27. Kyle Briggs 2012 - Featherstone.
30. Liam McAvoy 2012
33. Karl Pryce 2012 - London.
34. Phil Joseph 2012 - Halifax.'"
I hope we get Hargreaves, he would be a quality signing. I hope we keep Sykes as well.
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| Probably a fair bit of cash tied up in those players if rumours are to be believed. I'd think we'd be looking to try and keep Manuokafoa, Donaldson, Addy, McAvoy and Crookes. If rumours are to be believed, Crookes is already gone though. I'd like to see the likes of Elima, Hargreaves and Crookes at the club but I sense that's pretty unlikely.
Maybe the recent form of Walker might see him get a new deal as well as long as his demands are reasonable. Might be the old steady head we need in what might be a tough year for recruitment.
I expect Sykes will join Wakefield if the clubs can reach an agreement.
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| Quote ="mat"certain fans of other clubs who've been virtually gloating over which of our under contract players they were getting next year are going to be disappointed by that tidbit
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The fact that you haven't had to offload any this irks a lot more I'm sure.
I'm also fairly certain that the creditors owed money are also irked as to why when you have assets to sell they have not been sold.
Not to worry eh??
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| O 'brien was the only one who signed a new contract who could not have it ratified. Whitehead signed his before all problems came to light and was never mentioned about it being a problem. If it was not ratified if we came out of admin the contract would be there and signed anyway.
Maybe somone trying to fish....
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| Quote ="kinleycat"The fact that you haven't had to offload any this irks a lot more I'm sure.
I'm also fairly certain that the creditors owed money are also irked as to why when you have assets to sell they have not been sold.
Not to worry eh??'"
I'm sure I remember a Wakey official saying, circa April, that they might be interested in some of our players.
Have they made any offers and been turned down?
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| As far as I recall when we were in the brown sticky stuff we didn't have the luxury of being able to turn down offers?!?!
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| Quote ="domthebull"O 'brien was the only one who signed a new contract who could not have it ratified. Whitehead signed his before all problems came to light and was never mentioned about it being a problem. If it was not ratified if we came out of admin the contract would be there and signed anyway.
Maybe somone trying to fish....'"
Afaik whitehead is in same situation as o'brien. His contract was signed and announced but paperwork was still going through when everything blew up. But his prior contract coves next year so should only be extended portion that could be an issue.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"As far as I recall when we were in the brown sticky stuff we didn't have the luxury of being able to turn down offers?!?!'"
Which offers has Guilfoyle turned down?
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| A few clubs have been sniffing, afaik we have had an offer turned down for one player and dealings to make the Sykes loan deal permanent have been made difficult.
Reading various things in the RL media and what with SL being fairly dog eat dog, I would be amazed if the likes of Hull, Hudds and Warrington haven't made offers.
Has the administrator made any effort to raise any funds for creditors?
I appreciate he has cut back the wage bill by losing back office and coaching staff wages but has he actually realised any assets yet?
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| Hull, Hudds and Warrington have made offers We have turned them down or delayed to see what our future holds A well documented £300,000 bid went in for Bateman but we refused to sign it there and then (which was a massive risk as we could have gone into liquidation a week later).
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| the problem is the only assets the club has are the players. The offers received have been ridiculously low, think 5-10k level. that sort of money doesnt make much of an impression on the level of debt so administrator has taken the view that the players have a higher value as part of a sale of the club as a going concern. Just because the wakefield administrator took a differnet view and sold players for peanuts doesnt mean that it is the only way to handle a administration.
The 300k offer for bateman was before we went into administration. It will have dropped dramatically once we were in admin, plus bateman allegedly refused to agree personal terms with any club other than bradford making him worthless as a saleable asset.
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