Pssst, af, you forgot to log in to your usual username.

You can criticise, I admit they were all $hite today.

Briggs was horrendous too - not denying that. But can you really write a player off after 2 SL appearances?

Yes. See also Tupou, Tame.

No doubt far cheaper too. And Koppy has improved a lot this year, one of the better forwards so far IMO. How you can use Burgess as an example is bizarre even by your standards, the guy has only played a handful of SL games.

Bizarre by MY standards??? Come come BB. You slagged off Feka there who was considerably better than the two I mentioned.

People in glass houses......

Potter owes us an explaination as to what he thinks happened tonight, no doubt. That was dire, delighted I made the decision not to travel.

But guys, if he rates a player, he might know a little about what he's talking about? I had a row with a Saints fan up here who doubted Potters' ability as a coach. Take your pick from taking them to two grand Finals, unfancied Catalans to third in '08, and bringing the likes of Wheeler, Lomax, Foster and Gaskell through the ranks. We have a guy that can take us places, we might need to go through more bad patches on the way though.

You think? I saw an overweight Prop who continually struggled to get back in line. He gave at least one penalty away and probably got away with a least one or two more because he was slow getting back onside. For the money Salford are likely paying I doubt they're getting value for money. Having seen all of Koppy's performance this year, he has improved from 2010 and is finally punching his weight.

I was gutted after the result, but reading the idiocy of some on here has cheered me right up.

Bagging Briggs and Burgess is just unfair, how poor was Lesley early on. That's not saying either will be in the same bracket as Lesley but give the young lads a break. The guys with experience struggled so the inexperienced should be given a lot more leniency.

sum folk just kno players arnt gud enuff. then thers me who know herbert is pap and then there is his army of fans that dont

Feka is a whale, a 90 yr old lady using a Zimmer would be quicker, he is useless and his gut is touching the floor after 5 mins!!!

But can he take us places with the players we have? No matter how good a coach you are, you can only make the best of what you have.

Ok. Time for a balanced and objective view of this afternoon.

Long and short of it was we were diabolical. We started well with an early try and followed it up with some good pressure, but we failed to make it count and the indiscipline and lack tackling which has been a Bradford trademark for a long while came along and cost us dearly. A third 50+ plus loss in one season is hardly worthy of a club which is looking at pushing on to the play-offs.

The strange thing was, that for a large portion of the 1st half we had nearly an 80% completion rate.

This was also was our 10th game and our 8th or 9th different 17. It's a bit hard to build consistency in performance when you can't be consistent with your squad selection. This isn't meant as an excuse for the shambolic performance the team put in today, but we're still a work in progress as a team. 4 and a half years of mis-management and under-performance can't be washed away in just a few short months.

We've got 5 days before the Leeds game. Mick Potter needs to focus on 3 things leading up to Thursday: Defence, Defence, Defence.

For Bradford to get back up to where we want them to be, it's going to be a long term job. There are no quick fixes. We need to stop the massive player turn over every year, this in turn will give us a stable squad which can then build up to being a force again.

I think when Mick Potter leaves the club he will leave it a stronger club than when he took over.

I'm starting to have second thaughts on that.

Is Shad Royston injured ?

It's not really hard for potter to leave the club in a better state than what he came into it. I am starting to think he won't make as serious improvement as expected by a lot of people. Never thought i'd see defeats of such margin this year.

Some of our players really are dross. Don't care how many games they have played, you know when someone isn't good enough, you just have to hope to be proved wrong.

He was still on the winning side though, and contributed more than most of the Bradford forwards.

I'm not sure who should be more embarrassed to be honest...

Us for having him, or you for letting a side containing said whale to batter you....

I think the Willows is Potter's hoodoo ground! Saints lost their matches there for both of the years he was coach.

I think we may have a few more hoodoo grounds by the end of this year!

SaintFan may have a point.

I mentioned on the Salford forum, how good your rush defence was in the first 20mins or so. The problem is the level of intensity seemed to be unsustainable, and what looked like an out muscled Salford pack in those first 20mins, then looked like Supermen. Even Feka started to pump his legs.

This is one of the factors that lost you the game, along with a heavy penalty count and poor sliding defence/general tackling, something Salford fans are normally used to whitnessing from their own team.

You guys need to get a grip,you win some lose some,salford did us over at the willows after we played poor and tbh reading inbetween the lines you was beaten by a better team.Im sure you will have some great wins this year but sometimes you will play cr@p and suffer.Today was just a bad day at the office and tomorrows another day folks...

Five years of poor player recruitment have taken us to the point where at today. Average signings been asked to produce better than average results. We are poor and no better than last year only this time we have a few more average players than we had last year !

When I was watching the game I was embarrased but after I had 'calmed down' I actually thought about it. Potter has given out 1 year deals, which obviously means he's trying to find players which suit his style of play so this season is more of a 'testing' season to see which ones he's gunna keep or get rid of. This will hopefully bring us consistancy in a few seasons time.

Another thing is that I'm getting sick of this flat ball all the time. Give it to trhe back man so he can distribute it to Centres/Wingers.

Briggs had a poor game but I believe he will get better, this was his first game with a proper 7 in Marc Herbert (who is also improving a lot). L'Estrange was pretty poor too in my opinion. Kicking game needs sorting, 20 points behind with 20 mins left and we drill it into touch??

If I was the coach I would get the lads together and knock them down to earth, shouting about how there are etc. Then when they are at their lowest, build them back up again with a different mindset.

I enjoy it when bradford get hammered. You dished plenty out in the early SL years. It's karma

Should be a cracking game on thursday against us...........we cant defend, you cant defend.........two clueless sides could be comedy gold!!!