You forgot Fax letting you have a win so as not to make it 5 on the bounce.

The only thing it proved to me is thatRohan is right to get rid of Your Olbis0ns, Fergusons
, Pitts , Addy (Especially) and all those so called senior pros who could not help the young lads to beat a relegated side. To all those who are going GOOD RIDDANCE

If I can offer you some hope Roger it's that a lot can change in 12 months in RL.

12 months a go Leeds were treble winners, now they're performing in the middle 8s. Huddersfield were chasing the LLS. Now they're staring relegation in the face. Wakefield were one of the SL sides there has ever been, now they're in the top 8 and made a cup semi final. Leigh were out of their depth in the middle 8s, now they're smashing SL sides for fun. Batley were fighting relegation, now they in the middle 8s. London didn't even win the shield last year, now they're the second best championship team.

Its been an horrendous year that's just kept kicking the fans in the guts. But hopefully in 12 months time,it will be a different story.

What a confused post, and a bit of ad hom thrown in too, nice.

First, the Bulls did indeed slump terribly under Lowes, and that's why we ended up stragglers. Had we started the year with a halfback even, things might have been different so it isn't all Lowes.

Of course within weeks we have seen an improvement, it's called Chisholm. But Smith has the overwhelming bulk of players at his disposal being those signed by others not him, and too many have shown they are simply not up to the job. Have you not seen the difference having a 7 has made, though?

Brian Smith? Maybe you've been drinking, but the fact is, he was only at the club 95-96 and he did exactly what he does, and what I am arguing, he laid the foundations and over the next few years his work was continued and the rest was history.

You are also confused between making an improvement, and becoming a good team. They are two different things. Making a marked improvement is the Oldham game, and bringing in the likes of Moss and Chisholm. Becoming a good team is like the post-Smith Bulls, and like Leigh, and like Hull.

You are also confusing starting effectively from scratch, as Smith is having to do, and building on a solid foundation, as Smith's successors did and as Radford has to some extent done, but if you want to talk about Radford (who was assistant coach at Hull before getting the main job, when was he appointed? Let me see - oh yes, 2013. What year is it now? I think 2016. How many years was that, then, by your reckoning?

It is ridiculous to suggest Smith can be judged on the arrse end of this season, and he has arrived at a time of great financial strife, which hasn't exactly helped. As for next season, all things being equal, he could make a proper start, but personally? I'll literally be delighted if we trot out onto the field in the first game, with all the winding up petitions, players not being paid, and huge loss of income. The omens are not great. You seem to be wanting instant and massive success, well, wouldn't we all but you're not being realistic. We're at best skint. Survival is where we are, IMHO.

Thought there were few, 'good', games from our lot, mostly mediocre at best. We didn't tackle hard enough and allowed far too many offloads, not to mention allowing Sammutt the run of the field - though I admit he can do that, at any time, when the mood takes him, with or without leave from the opposition. Jarrod was terrific, though that goes without saying - and, of course he's put that sort of performance in for us [allong with with some pretty awful ones too, as I recall.. many times.

The wind, along with far too many mistakes [mostly by us, ruined the game as any kind of spectacle. I thought the youngsters 'done good', though. Have to say they weren't given much of a lead by the more seasoned pros.

ATEOTD, I'm still where I was last week - still waiting patiently for the end of this miserable season, I guess when you travel with few expectations it's difficult to be too disappointed.

That kind of performance is unfortunately never far away with the current crop of first teamers barring a minority of newcomers. The half assed attitude that has grown amongst many of the first team is a cancer and I'm glad Smith is getting rid of many of them. Some still have some potential and may thrive elsewhere, others are never going to be good enough and will just be mediocre or poor wherever they go.

I'm hopeful that game will be the last of that kind of performance. The injection of new blood that has some enthusiasm along with some genuine grafters should see to that. With a sprinking of guile and experience we should be ok. Smith's got a big job on his hands but it'll become easier when he gets rid of players that don't have their hearts in it anymore.

I've been going now for over 30 years and I've yet to see any coach transform a side overnight. It takes time and careful recruitment. Smith walked into bad situation. 40+ players, some of whom that had been around for a couple of years yet played a handful of games. Others had been run into the ground and some had been recruited on a whim and then ignored. Morale must have been awful. Ross's "exodus" is just what we need.

For my money, the best performance of the day goes to the Red Arrows who did a super low flying show, in tight formation, over our coach as we went up the top end of the M6 - and to prove it was no fluke, a second lot did it again ten seconds later. Shame about the rugby....

Shame while they were at it, they didn't fire some rockets up certain players' arrses

they targeted Addy's but in a bit of collateral damage they blew his brains away.

Addy did have a mare didn't he?

One of those days for him.

Not just the fact he had a mare, playing him in a pivotal role completely breaks our attack. The drop off ball that takes about 15 seconds to complete is easy to defend against.

Cannot wait to see some proper half backs next year and if one gets injured, we have a proper half back to replace them with.

I was surprised to see him in the side TBH.

He seemed to have the opposite of the Midas touch.

Hobbo spent almost the entire commentary calling for him to be substituted. It did seem from the radio commentary that almost every mistake had Addy's name written on it, but without seeing it for yourself, it's sometimes hard to say for sure.

To be honest, the team for me screamed that they were resting anyone with even a slight injury to make sure they're ok for the semi final. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same this week.

Addy isn't fit to play for Dudley Hill.

yes, it's all his fault for not kicking that conversion...

it was one 'mare, I think another posters comment was he needs a move for his benefit, and I agree, I cannot take the current display from him as representative of his skills. He has always tried his hardest - maybe too much - to do what was asked of him, through the worst off field period in just about any clubs history. Time for him to take care of his future.

As we've alleged to have signed Addy can someone give me any positives on him as I can't seem to find any on here and it does seem a strange signing to me and I'm failing to see were he fits in

Positives – He can kick 40-20s, pass superbly, back up very well, occasionally hit hard in defence and boot conversions from the touchline under extreme pressure. He will put his hand up when others go missing. He’ll give 100%.

Negatives – He is infuriatingly inconsistent, often within the same 80mins. For every killer pass he can throw one into touch. For every 40-20 one can go directly out. For every big tackle there is a feeble shoulder grab. For every touchline conversion under pressure he’ll miss a sitter.

He’s be criminally misused at Bradford. He’s a backrow forward who’s been forced to play as a playmaker. As a result none of his skills have been fully formed because he’s trying to do too much. He’s sacrificed a lot of his career by trying to do everything and filling holes made thanks to our awful recruitment and off field mismanagement. It’s testament to the bloke that he’s been with us this long.

I said he needs a move. Wherever he goes he needs to be in a side where he can concentrate on playing in the backrow and not be the “go to guy” for everything.

Agree with your assessment Bullseye. Just hope that being played out of position so many times in last couple of years haven't ruined him

I would agree with that. But I'd also add a negative of being an incredibly slow and laboured passer at times. There's been occasions he's taken so long to make the pass that he may as well have had a megaphone to announce to the defensive line who he was throwing the ball to and when.

I fear that the good side of his character (the willing to do whatever is needed for the team, be it playing in the halves or at prop) will be his downfall. I can't see any coach not being tempted to move him into the position of an injured player during the game, if there isn't someone ready made for that position already. He's just one of those "he'll do a job" types which is great for a coach, but not necessarily great for him personally, and not particularly good for his development.

I fear him at HKR. They have half backs who are always unlucky with injury, you can see him filling in at 6 or 7 for most of the year!

I don't disagree with any of that, but his inconsistency is what makes him a liability. He ain't the first and won't be the last. You can only get away with being badly inconsistent if you'r as good as, say, Shaun Johnson. Unfortunately for Addy, the good stuff to bad stuff ratio has tipped in a negative favour this year - albeit it might be because of several mitigating factors.

And his defence has always been terrible.

You could be right we signed Blair to play second row and he's played stand off for two years

Agree with everything here, for me he isnt a 13 either. Personally I thought he looked his most dangerous playing left edge second row for Scotland in the world cup ability with ball and strong running. Would have loved to see him play there for us

This.

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Spot on Bullseye.

To quote Jimmy Lowes, Danny is a, "really good rugby player". He's [i:k5k3914gnot[/i proving it. I say 'almost' because he has had his moments, even in that position. Criminally misused doesn't tell the half of it. New club, new regime and a new Danny Addy - just what he needs imo.