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| Quote ="Roofaldo"TBH it look like a rehashed article just to fill some spare colum space.
If Sam wants to go play in the NRL AND we've got NRL clubs lined up and willing to pay a large transfer fee then I say we cash in. Provided the club use the money to invest in bringing in quality players.
I'll be sad to see the lad go, but I don't think he'll fullfil his potential under the current Bradford regime'"
Just on the transfer fee issue, I can't see NRL clubs paying a fee.
Firstly, I don't see them paying a fee for pom with potential. Secondly, you tend to find that with players coming the other way the clubs allow the players to cancel their contract by mutual agreement. There may, if it happens, be some sort of player swap deal, if Bradford have the quota space.
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| The same story on [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/08/28/RUGBYL_Burgess.htmlSporting Life.[/url
Except this one states he is..well read for yourself:
Quote ="Sporting Life"Crowe told reporters at a club function in Sydney that he was very confident of beating rival NRL clubs Manly Sea Eagles and Wests Tigers to obtain the signature of Burgess, who is contracted to the Bulls to the end of 2011 but has an opt-out clause enabling him to fulfill his dream of playing in Australia at the end of next season.'"
2011? 2010? 2010 with opt-out? I think most on here have been assuming the last option for some time now. But its never been confirmed or denied anywhere. The silence from the club on the Burgess isue, despite Hood's apparent comments to the Oz media, is not helping IMO.
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| Quote ="Tony Ferrino"South sydney, Leeds' Partner club.
Cant wait to see these south sydney shirts as your speedway track'"
As they are Leeds partner club, do you think (if Bradford dont get it in his contract) Leeds could be one of the first clubs to be on hand if he wants to come back to the UK?
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| Quote ="Frosties."As they are Leeds partner club, do you think (if Bradford dont get it in his contract) Leeds could be one of the first clubs to be on hand if he wants to come back to the UK?'"
i would imagine there will be a queue of clubs on hand if he wanted to come back.
I would like to imagine he'd be back at the bulls if he does come back at all but with the Burgess family playing at both clubs then there will always be speculation i guess.
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| The Aussie media are getting it all wrong, Burgess is contracted till the end of 2011.
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| Quote ="phillgee"i would imagine there will be a queue of clubs on hand if he wanted to come back.
I would like to imagine he'd be back at the bulls if he does come back at all but with the Burgess family playing at both clubs then there will always be speculation i guess.'"
They'd be damn stupid not to put a Iestyn clause in.
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"The Aussie media are getting it all wrong, Burgess is contracted till the end of 2011.'"
Technically yes, but if the opt out clause really is written in there somewhere, then effectively he is only contracted until 2010 as I'm sure he'll be putting it to good use.
Am I the only one slightly ed off at the way Crowe and Shane Richardson are mouthing off about how confident they are of signing him etc.?
Some of the quotes on the bbc article make them sound so arrogant it actually winds me up a little.
Burgess is a contracted Bulls player and unless we have given South Sydney permission to speak to Sam in this way (which I doubt) then isn't it a little bit immoral?
Stories like this crop up in football all the time, the Ashley Cole saga springs to mind, when he was caught having dinner with Peter Kenyon from Chelsea, and the press and Arsenal made a massive deal about it.
It's more or less the same situation here and yet nobody seems to give a sh*t about it.
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| Anyone else wondering where we'll be without our most marketable player?
I suppose if he wants away to Oz then we should send him with our best wishes but it leaves us without one of only crowd pleasers.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"They'd be damn stupid not to put a Iestyn clause in.'"
It isn't a "clause".
Its a separate agreement. Along the lines of, in summary, "...In consideration of club releasing player from his contract, player agrees that should he return to (League/UK/whatever) before x date, he will enter into a new playing contract with club (if club so wishes) on no worse terms than contract being released from, for a term equal to the unexpired period of original contract."
I'd not get excited about such an agreement, since if Sam does as well as folk expect him to then he'll not be back before such an agreement likely expires. Any longer agreement would likely be ruled to be in restraint of trade and therefore voidable. And anyway, little mileage in hacking off the player?
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| Quote The 20-year-old is under contract with Bradford until the end of 2010.'"
That's with the opt-out year removed. So he'll be here next year but gone for the year after.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Burgess is a contracted Bulls player and unless we have given South Sydney permission to speak to Sam in this way (which I doubt) then isn't it a little bit immoral?'"
Can't stop it happening. And if Sam can anyway up and off to Oz end 2010 (as the reports suggest) then you'd expect him to talk to people well in advance? The "permission to speak" rule is a rule between SL clubs. Will not apply to NRL clubs. And if you were working for a company and with a long notice period, and another prospective employer wanted to talk to you about your future career and how they could help you earn loads and fulfil a dream, how would you feel if that prospective employer was forbidden to talk to you (as can happen in certain situations)?
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| Quote ="Paul124897"That's with the opt-out year removed. So he'll be here next year but gone for the year after.'"
Unless someone makes Hood an offer he can't refuse...
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Unless someone makes Hood an offer he can't refuse...'" I Just can't see an Aussie club paying, they may release a player on their books who fancies a move to the UK, but I can't see money changing hands, the Aussies just don't seem to work like that.
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| Quote ="finglas"I Just can't see an Aussie club paying, they may release a player on their books who fancies a move to the UK, but I can't see money changing hands, the Aussies just don't seem to work like that.'"
Me neither. Although Crowe out of his own pocket might be a different situation. Otherwise, some deal involving players would seem the only obvious solution - but that requires said players to want to cooperate?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Anyone else wondering where we'll be without our most marketable player?'"
Maybe in a similar situation to where we were when we let Newlove go?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Maybe in a similar situation to where we were when we let Newlove go?'"
Unfortunately I can't see it. The only similarity is that the team is potentially losing an excellent player, only this time it's one who is actually popular with his teammates and coach!
Are we likely to get three top quality players and a pile of cash in his place? Do we already have a Robbie Paul type player at the club to be the figurehead of a large marketing operation?
The club's lost a lot of big personalities over the past few years, players who were recognisable and loved by the supporters.
Burgess going (and I recognise that the club can't do anything much to prevent it) will further hasten us becoming a team without an identity.
It's quite apparent that we're not in the business of making big signings anymore due to financial constraints. I just hope the crop of youngsters come on and become crowd favourites in Sam's place soon or we'll be struggling even more.
Apologies for the glum posting but I can't see any positives for our club in Burgess leaving.
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| The club should not have let him put an NRL get out clause in his contract. Easier said than done, I know...
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| Quote "We still have a bit to go to get Sam but we are not far away and confident," Richardson said.'"
That just really pi$ses me off. Sam, if you go, don't go to these arrogant ar$eholes, go to Manly or Wests please.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Unfortunately I can't see it. The only similarity is that the team is potentially losing an excellent player, only this time it's one who is actually popular with his teammates and coach!
Are we likely to get three top quality players and a pile of cash in his place? Do we already have a Robbie Paul type player at the club to be the figurehead of a large marketing operation?
The club's lost a lot of big personalities over the past few years, players who were recognisable and loved by the supporters.
Burgess going (and I recognise that the club can't do anything much to prevent it) will further hasten us becoming a team without an identity.
It's quite apparent that we're not in the business of making big signings anymore due to financial constraints. I just hope the crop of youngsters come on and become crowd favourites in Sam's place soon or we'll be struggling even more.
Apologies for the glum posting but I can't see any positives for our club in Burgess leaving.'" I'm not sure Burge leaving will cause the massive upset you suggest, I feel the supporters who attend games now, are not there for the "hype" or to watch "sex on legs" we are down to the die hards who will be there thru' thick and thin, I honestly can't see crowds falling much more. Your points are valid tho' in attracting new supporters, which really is the only way forward.
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| Quote ="Steam Pig"I'm not sure Burge leaving will cause the massive upset you suggest, I feel the supporters who attend games now, are not there for the "hype" or to watch "sex on legs" we are down to the die hards who will be there thru' thick and thin, I honestly can't see crowds falling much more. Your points are valid tho' in attracting new supporters, which really is the only way forward.'"
I'm more worried about how we'll find it harder to build now than we did in 96 when we had the cash and the impetus from SL starting. I agree that we're probably getting down to the hard core of supporters but clubs need to the "floaters" cash too, as you say to move forward.
The Bulls are in the entertainment business and crowd pleasers are necessary to pull in the punters and grow the business. Supporters who attend for the most part expect to be entertained though I agree the form of the entertainment has varied from excitement to comedy this year.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"the form of the entertainment has varied from excitement to comedy this year.'"
It's been more like a shakespearen "tragedy" than anything.
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| Souths could have a formidable pack with Roy Asotasi, David Kidwell, Sam Burgess and they have also signed Brisbanes monster Dave Taylor.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"It's been more like a shakespearen "tragedy" than anything.'"
And plenty of "farce" at times!
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| I think a lot depends on who will coe in when Burgess goes. If you get a couple of big names, there is no reason to be pessimistic. However if you continue to sign 'journeymen' (with the exception of Scrutes and Menzies), then crowds and belief will continue to drop.
If Burgess goes, fans will want to see the money spent on the team, not gobbled up elsewhere.
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