sacking the staff enables us an extra couple of days to try and find a buyer. Yes its crap, yes we feel for those people, but survival of the club is paramount, and with the type of quality people that we let go, they will understand, even though they will have hoped it wouldnt come to that! heres to s decent crowd on Sunday, that shows potential buyers that we have something worth saving.

I hope Noble comes on board for Sunday, even if it is just naming the team and making interchanges. I think what is annoying people is not Noble coming in it's they way the administrator is handling things.

I won't lower myself to name calling but at what point does it say Nobby was asked on Monday ? Does he not have a mobile that he can be called on whilst abroad. Do you also not think that BG would have envisaged making staff redundant PRIOR to actually doing it or do you just think he thought " I know, this morning I'm gonna walk in, sack the caches, THEN I might call Brian Noble who MIGHT want to help out !! is it not feasible that he sounded him out before taking a drastic measure???

Look, I know for a fact that this is the case because i heard it from my mate who sees him nearly every day. He told me this on Friday that this was happening.

Let's be clear. Noble said he was asked on Monday, which he was. You threw in a bald one-line claim that he was not telling the truth:

...thus calling Noble a liar and saying he was asked to do a job before there was a job.

Your claim was not that he had "been lined up", or sounded out or anything less, but that he had been asked on the previous Thursday, and not as he said on the Monday after the sackings.

Now you are backtracking and moving on to whether Noble had been approached, or sounded out, but that is a completely different thing, as well you know. There;s no doubt that the administrator will (obviously) have discussed all sorts of options with all sorts of people. But you are changing the subject. You are just getting your knickers twisted trying to pretend you have an inside line into both the personal discussions of Noble and indeed into the mind of the administrator..

"They never thought for a second Potter would agree" is another such ludicrous claim to insider knowledge. You have no clue what they thought. But even if all that were true, they STILL cannot have asked Nobby to be the unpaid coach before Monday, as until Potter refused and then was 'made redundant' (sic), there was no vacancy.







.. indeed - except you say he had already been asked and had agreed, to take a job which wasn't vacant! Stop being ridiculous. Or are you now claiming that when Noble "was asked on Thursday" to do the coaching job for free, he wasn't told, and didn't ask, just exactly how there would be a vacancy, given his friend MP was the current coach?

Im possible that he didn't - but like your mate, you are now talking about a different thing, there is a mile of difference between being sounded out, and being asked to do the job.


yes, I'm sure that Noble would share such extremely personal and delicate confidential information casually with "mates" who are such good friends they immediately tittle tattle it all to the likes of you. Now run along.

Whatever the ins and outs I hope we do have somebody acting as head coach if the game goes on this Sunday. If it's Noble then so be it. It could be a lot worse. Sure the players aren't happy at the moment but nobody is.

im not backtracking on anything!

BN was asked on Thursday if he would consider taking over the coaching reins on an expenses basis only as they needed to get rid of all coaching staff. He asked that one be kept on and that he would do it as long as the whole thing was handled correctly (as he was mates with Potter).

Noble asked Cummins on Monday if he would stay on. He knew what was happening last week. Noble has never said he only found out on Monday as far as I'm aware.

Noble has told Bradford to shove it, by all accounts. He was willing to do it for free but can't be bothered with the agro.

However, you are correct in one thing and that its disrespectful of me to post what he has said to a mutual friend who has passed that info on to me. I just thought that rather than all the guessing games that are floating, some true facts may assist. I have posted sparingly on the whole debacle but my previous posts as soon as the pledges issue came around should confirm that what i have been told is accurate, however, if it be better that people would like to play guessing games then so be it.

I am not childish enough to come on to a forum and simply make things up. Then be abused for providing information that I have 100% no reason to doubt is unfair but I guess i can understand your scepticism as there are a lot of "mates" type stories.

But plenty are, and nobody knows you from Adam.

The conversation might have been like this:
Part one - some time in the last few weeks

CC: Brian, We are in the poo and have no paddle. Could you help if we need you?
BN: Sure, I love the club and will do what I can.
CC: OK I'll let the insolvency practicioner know, just incase he some how becomes our administrator.

No mention of what he'll be doing, just an intention to help if he can


Then - part 2: Somtime on Monday

BG: Hi Brian, Chris mentioned your offer to help the club.
BN: Sure brendon, how can i help?
BG: Well, I ve just had to let most of the staff go as we've no cash, and I could do withn somebody who knows the club, and is respected by the players, to act as a coach / director of rugby, to act as a conduit between me and the playing staff.
BN: That sounds fine, how big is the salary?
BG: No salary nobby, you need to do this for your love of the club.
BN: NO worries, I'll drop Fran a line, he knows the lads and I am sure I can work with him.
BG: OK, I'll pop into Tong at 10am tomorow and introduce you to the players. Thanks again!

Part three MOnday , late PM

BN: Hi Brendon, some tolls have been giving my lad some stick, and there's some real gloits ont he forums giving me the dogs abuse. I grew up in Bradford and still call it home, I served as a player and a police officer in the city and I was the most successful coach the club ever had, but these 2@s are going to make my life a misery. I dont need it!
BG: have a think Brian, take a couple of days. But we could do with you before the london game.
BN: OK Brendon, Ill get back to you when I've briefed the media.
BG: OK, got to go, Ive got to try and get in touch with the players as theres no need to meet now. How am I going to do that? these players are so illusive. How can i getb their numbers? How do I use twitter? where's the nearest payphone?
BN: speak soon Bren
BG: Cheers, Bye!

haha, I often chuckle at your replies and probably shouldnt waste my time replying, however....

If you want to discuss semantics, its probably better that you read what was posted correctly. I stated noble was asked on thurs, that is simple. I didnt claim he was offered to start immediatley, but was asked. which he was. at that point, im pretty sure potter was told of the redundency on fri although not 100% on this. funny that is all fits nicely isnt it.

and guess what, just because there wasnt a vacancy, doesnt mean that he cant be offered the role. i love your certainty- he WASNT asked until monday. They CANNOT have asked. you are very confident, so confident in fact im wondering what you are basing this on. clearly your not STUPID enough to simply base this on media reports? are you? or are you?

if you look back over certain peoples posts, it is evident they had prior knowledge of events coming up. and that they werent simply posting random rumours.

I'm sure that's true. It's only this week that I've allowed myself to pay any attention to this again at all.

slideby, haven't you got a faked moon landings seminar to attend?


It does, though. That's precisely what it means. The only way it could be otherwise is if Guilfoyle was going to sack Potter, in any event. Otherwise, only hypothetical discussions could (and I have no doubt did) take place.

To fit your claim, it would need to be true that, even if Potter had agreed to work for no pay, Guilfoyle would still have sacked him. In other words, utter bollox, because plainly, he wouldn't.

This has run its course, but briefly, you are only resorting to semantics to pathetically try to wriggle out of what you posted, and your claim that not only Noble, but now Guilfoyle and Potter himself are lying and in fact Potter was sacked on Friday not Monday indicates to me you should be left alone in your own fantasy world, where everyone is a liar, and only you know the truth.

I see. So like the other chap, you are also claiming that the offer to Potter to stay and work for nothing was a sham, and if he had said "yes", they would have told him, "actually, no, we didn't mean it, off you go".

OK.


Er, this is Noble's own account, not yours. The one quoted on Monday in the press.


Well then, let me increase your awareness. I will even do so without pay.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/03/brian-noble-bradford-bulls?newsfeed=trueGuardian report[/url
,
We know that this approach was made on Monday, so there is the second confirmation (the first being the plain wording of the article that Guilfoyle made the sackings , then told Noble of the "situation"



If you want specific nailed-down confirmation, though, here it is:


Next, Potter himself dates the call from Noble to Cummins as on the Monday too;
[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/9793872.Bradford_Bulls__Potter_fury_at_talk_of_Noble_return/?ref=mrT&A report[/url


This corresponds 100% with what Noble said, and what Cummins said.

Or maybe now you are going to say that Potter and Cummings are also lying about when these calls etc took place? Maybe the T&A, the Guardian, and all the media and all the fans have conspired to pretend the fans meeting was on Monday, but really it was the previous Friday?

FA, i like your use of quotes again. Just to clarify, are you confirming that you are STUPID enough to rely on journalism?I am taking it as confirmation, as all of your arguements are based on newspaper articles.

your quotes above dont seem to show noble saying he was contacted on monday. do you have any quotes saying that?

Sadly, I don't have a big-mouthed loose-tongued friend who is bezzy mates and a close confidant of Nobby, but who is prepared to betray that trust to thoughtless toerag mates who in turn want to seek kudos by in turn betraying that confidence on a public forum.

As apart from nutters claiming to have such "mates", we are all going on the quotes we have read in the press. The fact that people bull and the fact that many articles are unreliable is a generalisation. There is no reasonable doubt about these particular quotes on this particular subject from Guilfoyle, Potter, Cummins and Noble, as they are all reported as saying the same thing, by different journalists, in different publications.


You need to learn to read, as they clearly do. But why ask, since surely it would be STUPID of you to rely on any such?

Imagine this is like listening Caisley and Hood squabbling over who's right about a completely insignificant thing when the club comes crashing down around us.


What are you two trying to achieve here?

So to clarify, you are STUPID enough to rely on a newspaper article. Then call people nutters and toerags who dont simply rely on these newspaper articles. I see.

My reading is fine. Where in the direct QUOTE you used, does it say 'I was contacted on Monday'. I am happy to rely on direct quotes as these are goverened closer by our glorious libel laws Or could the said quote be followed be journalistic comment giving the impression it was on Monday? No wait, wait. What am i thinking. it must be the another consipiracy theory I have. Journalists CANNOT, COULDNT possibly word an article using quotes to give the reader an impression that is not 100% accurate, that would be impossible.

I am trying to defend attacks against myself, having posted accurate information on a forum that is pertinent to our current mess and the readers here.

I think if the game goes ahead at the weekend H&S will require all handbags to be left on the gate as posts on this thread indicate potential trouble?

I think the majority of fans thought MP was doing an amazing job in very difficult circumstances and would have liked him to stay, but if any one of you were asked " look you are doing a tremndous job in a calm dignified manor, do you mind doing it for free" I think we all know what the majority response would be. So as MP is not an option now then can we all give our uneqivical support to BN - a Bradford lad to the core, and a highly rated coach to boot - we are "incredibully "
lucky to even have this as an option.

You were the one calling FA stupid

Mainly contesting the proposition that Noble is a liar.


I may not be the only one:




Why is it Ok for you to be so STUPID as to rely on journalists for your information, then?

But mind, you clearly do have your own hotlines to Nobby and others; there is no substitute for inside information:


Oops.


Oops.

And your finger seems to have been right on the pulse of the Bulls players:


Or maybe you just believe you are a better bullter than you actually are?




If so, then your comprehension is an epic fail.

I repeat, Noble was clearly speaking the truth, not lying nor being disingenuous, and suggest you accept that and move on.

You have still failed to show me a quote from Nobby stating he was contacted on Monday, the quote you used does not state he was contacted on Monday.

Whilst I appreciate you trawling through my previous posts, which of your examples show me using a journalistic report as FACT. the whole basis of your arguement stated that it CANT have happened that way soley based on the articles, thats slightly different.

Also, please not that all of those rumours were exactly what I was told. Nobby wanted the hull job and rejected cas at a similar time. This happened.

And the potter rumour is clearly stated as a rumour. I am pretty sure others posted similar accounts, and this is probably linked to the fact it was said to at least 4 people by a member of the coaching staff at a training course.

It was confirmed we were close to signing Leon (by hood I think), but the tax in Catalan tipped it. the very likely isnt too far out, as i certainly didnt state he had signed.

If nobby has stated he only heard about this on monday i will be shocked. shocked because I was told on friday this was going to happen, so somebody must be able to predict the future.