You've still got your Cullen ears on. Cullen very articulately and passionately says nothing at all. Clarke has exactly the same trick, except Clarke has learned to make the ends of his sentences have some connection to their beginning.

Not this one again.....

I was taught the principles of this when I was 12, were you asleep, or didn't you bother with school?

Presumably & hopefully you do not teach physics?

He does - it's just that it's feminist physics.

yes, you've got it.


Indeed it will, though it will start to slow down due to air resistance and will start to accelerate towards the ground due to gravity. But those are external forces operating on the ball, in a vacuum and with no gravity the momentum of the ball would keep it going straight on at the same speed forward relative to the ground as it was when the player let go.


What it is, is pretty basic 1st week physics.


Everything has momentum. The important thing in this context is the change of momentum relative to the ground. The player has changed the momentum of the ball by accelerating it forward (relative to the ground) so yes, it has been given some additional momentum by the player.

Quote ="debaser"So the ball has forward momentum when it is being carried? So it a player drops the ball straight down when running then the ball will continue moving forwards at the same pace as the player? I'm sorry, but I think that's rubbish. The ball has no momentum of its own until it is given some.'" Watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Then let us know if you understand it or not. (and yes it's a Rah Rah video, but the same principles apply unless RL has mastered the ability to defy the laws of physics).

Quote ="debaser"So the ball has forward momentum when it is being carried? So it a player drops the ball straight down when running then the ball will continue moving forwards at the same pace as the player? I'm sorry, but I think that's rubbish. The ball has no momentum of its own until it is given some.'" Watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Then let us know if you understand it or not. (and yes it's a Rah Rah video, but the same principles apply unless RL has mastered the ability to defy the laws of physics).

And yes, despite the video evidence, they still have some as thick as some of ours, who still, unbelievably, don't get it

I thought the purpose of that video was top remind yawnionites what passing actually is.

Its all about linear momentum from classical mechanics you are spot on.

Mind you, looking at the passer's hands, there's a few on that vid that I'd give as "forward" mesen

I'm sorry, I lost interest when you started talking about physics. That's why I got an E...

I know I'm right though, that's all that matters....

Does my desk have momentum?

Yes......if you throw it out of a car window!

Oh, yes. From the rotation of the earth (about 1000 mph at the surface), the speed of the earth's orbit (67,000 mph), the speed of the solar system around the galaxy (about 150 miles per second), the speed of the galaxy through space . . .

That is one speeding desk

Except the bloke sitting at it thinks it's just sitting on his floor, gathering dust............

So don't tell me, if the Earth suddenly stopped moving then my desk would continue (but only if it was in a vacuum) but not forwards, as long as my hands were pointing backwards when the Earth stopped...

Quote ="MjM"Watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Then let us know if you understand it or not. (and yes it's a Rah Rah video, but the same principles apply unless RL has mastered the ability to defy the laws of physics).'" I understand it totally. But the examples they show are all forward passes. The only example when the passer gets flattened (towards the end) the ball is caught behind him, which kind of disproves the rule. I am a momentum rule denyer. You will not convince me otherwise.

Quote ="MjM"Watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s Then let us know if you understand it or not. (and yes it's a Rah Rah video, but the same principles apply unless RL has mastered the ability to defy the laws of physics).'" I understand it totally. But the examples they show are all forward passes. The only example when the passer gets flattened (towards the end) the ball is caught behind him, which kind of disproves the rule. I am a momentum rule denyer. You will not convince me otherwise.

You are John Senior, and I claim my £5.

If ever anyone loved his brother but was out to single handedly destroy his career it was John.

Anyhoo, frame of reference is king with momentum. A desk on a train has momentum if you're stood at the station, but not if you're on the train. Your frame of reference with passes is the player passing the ball when he's passing it, not the ground. Piece of cake.

And fwiw, the piece of cake just has inertia.

Think you need an edit with the words "relative to you" liberally interspersed. Though I'm not saying we're related.

No icing? I can't abide icing.

Relative to you, frame of reference is king.

That kind of thing?

Only 8 words, but I can't get my head around them, so I'll just say mebbe.

Icing I can do, marzipan is a definite no-no!!