Who pays for these appeals? Marc green? I wonder how much he's throwing away in the courts appealing all these winding up orders?

We're not very successful at appeals are we and i'm utterly fed up of these WUP

The appeal (against the VAT Assessment) itself doesn't cost anything, regardless if it's to HMRC or a Tribunal. The only cost involved would be for any representation. Bearing in mind he has his own other companies as well as the Club, I would suggest Mr Green would have accountants capable of dealing with this on his staff somewhere anyway.

If we win this appeal do we get our 6 points back?

And a Maserati each, hopefully!

I'm worried that the clubs inability to manage their finances will eventually have a detrimental effect on player/staff recruitment.

Then there's the sponsorship side of things. Would a sponsor want to be continuously associated with a club that gives the impression that they are constantly on the brink?

I'm already worried for next year....

Irrespective of the outcome, there appears to be a procedural issue here internally, especially if it turns out they are just plain incompetent at paying a tax bill on time. It's bad press that we don't need and does nothing to quell any fears that the fans may have regarding the club's future.

Statement from the club regarding the WUP, in case nobody else has posted it:

[urlhttp://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/post/statement-from-the-club[/url

It is actually embarrassing now. If we were a racehorse we would have been put-down long ago.

It reads totally the work of the wee teflon coated prat who continues to steal a living from Bradford Bulls RLFC.

Must admit..with our track record,if you really had the means,you would not push it and let this sort of thing recur.Hardly in the best interests of the Club or it's image.Sad.

The club just doesn't seem to learn, does it?

We've had enough bad news and stories surrounding the club over the last few years. With things like this, the club will know before it goes into the press. Why the hell aren't they being proactive, especially given the whole thing about Marc Green having to release a statement due to scaremongering and the like?

Fan confidence isn't exactly high at the moment so why let anything like this get out before the club release a comment? The fans have seen the pig's ear that previous regimes have made of the club while telling the fans everything is rosey.

I thought this was the thread from last month. I didn't realise we had a new one. Good work.

Relax. The accountants and legal team were picked by Ferres.

One thing I will say is because we have been in this situation before the HMRC put a winding up order sooner than they would with others. I'm guessing we are saying we don't owe some VAT and they are saying we do.

I'm past worrying, if we go tits up.. we go tits up. Not much more that the devoted fans who turn up each week can do to alter that.

Exactly

Couldn't agree more

I've come to accept that in spite of any perceived injustices, I will continue to turn up and do what I always do, while feeling slightly anxious. It's the Bulls fan experience, and when pro Rugby League in Bradford is less of a mess I will have earned the enjoyment and reflected glory that it will yield.

That is another downside to smaller crowds it is easier for the dreaded VATman to count them

That's not necessarily true. All joking aside the tax man can be quite
flexible. I deal with old IR staff and old Customs and Excise staff. IR staff are still lagging behind their colleagues that came from Customs in the a hole department.

It takes a while to get to the stage where they issue a WUP or they've been listening to Yorkshire radio and got excited.

Are we arguing that Luaki is an unheated pudding?

It's the second point that HMRC explained to the listeners yesterday evening.

Although they won't comment on individual cases the explanation on how the system works was most fascinating for the majority of listeners who don't fully understand the implications and financial penalties of false information or late submittance etc...

Maybe we disputed paying them the VAT on admissions, on the grounds the team wasn't providing any sort of service?







I'll get me coat ... again

I caught the last bit and have I got this right in that the lady from HMRC explained that VAT assessments are only issued where the company has been lax in filing returns or been found to be lacking in accuracy in previous returns. So the winding-up procedure is the very last form of enforcement that HMRC use when all other forms have been exhausted. So HMRC use the bulls VAT is based on money that the company has received so they have had that money but used it for purposes other than payment of taxes to HMRC? if correct then someone at Odsal needs to be held accountable for this mess.