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| Quote ="debaser"It's getting harder and harder to disagree with mystic eddie these days.....
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"............after an earth-shatteringly vast total of 21 posts you '[ifinally have to admit[/i'??? Ever think you might have stayed silent too long?
Seriously, how did the 'the people's team' run out of money after all those years of 13k plus crowds, terrific sponsorship deals and SL wins?'"
Asgardian13 please do not measure peoples level of support / passion for the club / intesity by the number of posts they 'achieve'. I may not post but I read (and vote) a lot!!
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"The lengths some people will go to in order to get a sponsor....
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"How much have you actually seen of these two?
Go post your opinions on the Saints board, we want to criticize our own players so leave us to it.'"
A bit harsh Ewwen. He was merely posting an opinion.
And, to be fair, he is probably right, certainly on Le'Strange. OK, I did not see him today but the general consensus on here today is that no-one played much good, but he was bloody useless last week so, up till now, I guess he is spot on.
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| IMO, L'estrange was just about average before we signed him and he's certainly living up to that tag IMO.
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| Le'strange had very limited game time in Australia with Mat Balin being there primary hooker. Putting all of our hopes on him could be quite a gamble in what is a crucial position. Equally signing a full back to play stand off is also a gamble and at this early stage im not overcome with much confidence.
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| On the journey back home to Birmingham where I now live I was trying to think of a worse performance I have had to endure since I first started watching Bradford Northern way back in 1964, and believe me I've stood on those terraces through thick and thin throughout the years. I suppose like most people I can accept defeat when i see the team making an effort but I cannot accept a performance like I have witnessed this afternoon. They were inept and clueless in all areas of play and sorry to say but there were periods during that game when they appeared to have thrown the towel in - and that is not on. If nothing else they have a duty to the paying fans to at least make an effort - what the hell have they been doing in pre-season? It was just the same as last year and the year before that - who is responsible for that I ask you?
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| Quote ="Finnbar"On the journey back home to Birmingham where I now live I was trying to think of a worse performance I have had to endure since I first started watching Bradford Northern way back in 1964, and believe me I've stood on those terraces through thick and thin throughout the years. I suppose like most people I can accept defeat when i see the team making an effort but I cannot accept a performance like I have witnessed this afternoon. They were inept and clueless in all areas of play and sorry to say but there were periods during that game when they appeared to have thrown the towel in - and that is not on. If nothing else they have a duty to the paying fans to at least make an effort - what the hell have they been doing in pre-season? It was just the same as last year and the year before that - who is responsible for that I ask you?
PATHETIC, ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!!'"
Well you obviously weren't there for the Wire match at home last year, or Wigan away... or...
I travel every week pretty much home and away - 65 miles to a home match and have been watching similar performances for the last three years - you must have seen a few more than just today surely. If you can keep making the effort you'll get a couple of matches where things seem to turn around and then it'll go pear shaped again
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| The whole team were awful although Scruton tried hard and Sykes should be gone straight away but the display was absolutley awful, we've got the players but not the coach. Saints were pretty average today and don't look threatening this year and put thirty passed us and i've given McNamara three years and he's got to go now when we lose to Cas next week and maybe beat Salford if were lucky and then Wigan stuff us, he's a gonner.
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| Quote ="bull4lyf"The whole team were awful although Scruton tried hard and Sykes should be gone straight away but the display was absolutley awful, we've got the players but not the coach. Saints were pretty average today and don't look threatening this year and put thirty passed us and i've given McNamara three years and he's got to go now when we lose to Cas next week and maybe beat Salford if were lucky and then Wigan stuff us, he's a gonner.'"
Just looking at your next five fixtures, and (at the way your playing currently) can only see one game where you will probably win - Salford:
Cas (H)
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What the hell is going on? You've made some decent signings but seem to have gone backwards even from last season?
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| Quote ="MattyB"
What the hell is going on? You've made some decent signings but seem to have gone backwards even from last season?'"
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| Thought we played pretty well for the first 10 minutes then some dodgy decisions from Bentham gave them some momentum. After that though the capitulation was shocking.
There has been some criticism of the half backs and tbh I'm not too concerned about Orford, I think he will come good. I'm not sure about Kearney at stand off though, I never was. I was partially pacified when I saw him pre season but I don't see it. We were all talking during the game and I think he needs to on the end of some the balls that are hitting the three quarters not acting as a pivot. I think he good be a dangerous runner but his kicking was dreadful and distribution was poor.....but what are the options to replace?
Forgive me for criticising home grown talent but when the ball goes to Halley - it dies. He runs the ball up with gusto ( he may even be one of the best kick returners in SL) but the second phase move in the opposition red zone is pedestrian and predictable. I'd be tempted to try Reardon at full back and move Halley back to the wing (where he was successful with Wakefield). Please don't get me wrong on this section. I know he contributed but I question the way we use him sometimes
Sykes, one good move today that's about it
Worrincy - must have had his last chance. A bad rugby league player
Scruton however was immense, took the ball up well and put some thunderous hits in - one of his best ever games for us. Sheriffe also continued with the improved form. Menzies was a massive improvement on the giants game and looked like a strike option outwide until he was err subbed?? I do think that some of the aussies (orford and menzies) sometimes do things that are too quick for those around them and come off as mistakes. Although Orfords homage to Iestyn ( I thought that at the time Paul) were definetely for the end of year howler reel
Hall had a better game but was subbed as he looked to be getting into his stride. And I don't think having Le Strange and Godwin on at the same time works like we used to Tez and Hendo a few seasons back.
This gelling process needs to come to fruition as it looks like everyone else has done it and we're getting left behind.
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| The worst thing that happened today from teh club's point of view is that, having sent the dwindling fans home cursing and disillusioned so many home games last year, some will have come back for a brand new year with revived hopes and what - again, not only do we lose - that's not the point, anyone can lose against Saints - no, we perform in such a way as to make everyone go home really fed up and cursing.
What is it with us - we seem determined never to put in anything at home, and even with a largely new staff, we contrive to pis=#FFFFFF[size=50.[/sizes the home fans off no less than if that was the main game plan.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Exactly what i'm thinking.'" I did tell ya mate but you think I'm just trollin, when I just call it how I see it.
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| It won't make anyone feel better but here's another McNamara mistake - Glenn Morrison. The guy's playing out of his skin at Wakefield. Yes I know about the injuries but then in true Bradford style we used him as a battering ram. They're giving him space to run down the flanks and he's busting loose. An early contender for Man-Of-Steel. Glenn Hall ain't fit to lace his boots.
It confirms what we already knew, our style of play is so out of date. Five up the middle and a kick. Rubbish.
I hope this is the week McNamara suffers a serious bout of amnesia and has to learn a different way of coaching. If not I do think the curtain will fall at Easter time. I predict weekend of April 17, Challenge Cup Round Four - when we're humbled by a National League One side. Probably Halifax.
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| I went as a neutral today and have to say that I could not believe how poor you were today, your style of play just does not work, your whole attacking forrmula is the inside ball or barge your way over, anything else attempted is a dropped ball, sorry to say but you are totally clueless near the line and Saints seemed to get bored in the second half and thought they would show you how to do it with 3 attacks and 3 try's. Your coach really needs to step down now and he seems in cloud cuckoo land with these statements after the game......
"There were a lot of things that looked rusty. It wasn't a great performance at all. Maybe it was part of a process we need to go through as a group to get to where we want to get to."
"We weren't at the races. We expected to perform better but there were obviously reasons for that and we need to rectify that."
"I'd like to think we'll sit here in five days' time with a different situation. We'll be strong and stay together, but quite possibly in the long run this process will make us a better team."
How playing like that is part of a process to making you a better team only he knows!!
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| Quote ="anarkik"Well you obviously weren't there for the Wire match at home last year, or Wigan away... or...
I travel every week pretty much home and away - 65 miles to a home match and have been watching similar performances for the last three years - you must have seen a few more than just today surely. If you can keep making the effort you'll get a couple of matches where things seem to turn around and then it'll go pear shaped again
Keep the faith.'"
Got to admit having slept on it I feel a lot better about that performance than the Warrington match last year. Or the Castleford collapse away last year. That was sickening.
What I can't understand was how Leon Pryce seemed to have so much time on the ball. At the time I was convinced it was the ref but being honest we really haven't defended well in the first two matches.
Still we look a lot better in attack just too lightweight and a bit too nice (if you see what I mean) in defence. I think Scruton attempted a big hit but that was about it yesterday. Also the champions have lost their first two rounds too. I bet they beat Crusaders in round 4. It's not how you play in February it's how you played from August onwards that counts. Teams like Wakefield etc are coached to hit the ground running because they know they need to get all the points while they can. Kear has taken this approach for years. Should we be doing the same nowadays? I can't see us being Grand Final material.
Now I've had a decent nights sleep I'm going to say something that will make me pretty unpopular. I don't care about yesterday. It's not really a problem. To me what's most important is how they respond. Friday against Cas it's what counts IMO.
I'm going to give you my opinion on the back line though I think they should line up like this:
1. Kearney
2. Sheriffe
3. Reardon.
4. Nero
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| I really don't how Macca can re-arrange the team any more to make it work. We could try Kearney at full-back, but Halley has done nothing wrong to lose his place there.
Sykes is not a centre, I suppose we could pout him at stand off.
Reardon for me is not winger or a centre could he be tried at stand off ?
L'estrange offers no more than Wagga two vitually identical hookers why ????
The forwards were average yesterday. Worrincey was ineffective. However, Scruton did stand out and deserved to be recognised.
Ox tried, but how many times was the ball passed behind players ? I think he was expecting the line to be deeper, which I agree it should have been.
And, lastly I'm sorry Sheriffe, not good enough, the high bomb he let bounce near the end summed up the teams entire lack of commitment.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"It won't make anyone feel better but here's another McNamara mistake - Glenn Morrison. The guy's playing out of his skin at Wakefield. Yes I know about the injuries but then in true Bradford style we used him as a battering ram. They're giving him space to run down the flanks and he's busting loose. An early contender for Man-Of-Steel. Glenn Hall ain't fit to lace his boots.
It confirms what we already knew, our style of play is so out of date. Five up the middle and a kick. Rubbish.
I hope this is the week McNamara suffers a serious bout of amnesia and has to learn a different way of coaching. If not I do think the curtain will fall at Easter time. I predict weekend of April 17, Challenge Cup Round Four - when we're humbled by a National League One side. Probably Halifax.'"
Jeffries had another blinder yesterday by all accounts, Wakey's pace at HB is frightening. But Solomona is out injured again, so you never know.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"It won't make anyone feel better but here's another McNamara mistake - Glenn Morrison. The guy's playing out of his skin at Wakefield. Yes I know about the injuries but then in true Bradford style we used him as a battering ram. They're giving him space to run down the flanks and he's busting loose. An early contender for Man-Of-Steel. Glenn Hall ain't fit to lace his boots.
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Its three games in. I don't think anyone wanted rid of Morrison, he is a class act. But he might yet get injured and be out for a long time. Or he might not. You can't blame Macnamara for making that call. If Morrison ends up missing half the season (again) through injury, it was a good decision. If he doesn't then it wasn't.
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| Quote ="debaser"Its three games in. I don't think anyone wanted rid of Morrison, he is a class act. But he might yet get injured and be out for a long time. Or he might not. You can't blame Macnamara for making that call. If Morrison ends up missing half the season (again) through injury, it was a good decision. If he doesn't then it wasn't.'"
No, it was probably THE worst recruitment decision since certainly the SL era began, we had a gem in Morrison - albeit one who had some awful luck with injuries - but he is a class act and, much more to the point, a genuine leader of men, something in very short supply. I said at the time it was a stupid, stupid decision. The argument that Morrison was "injury prone" was always bollox, utter, total, and complete bollox. More bollox than the Great Yorkshire Show prize bull. He has never been "injury prone" in his career, and it is annoying that people can't distinguish between being "injury prone" and being unlucky enough to suffer some really horrible but proper injuries.
Missing half the season through a succession of hamstring tears and pull is being injury prone. Breaking your fscking wrist just, well, ISN'T.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No, it was probably THE worst recruitment decision since certainly the SL era began, we had a gem in Morrison - albeit one who had some awful luck with injuries - but he is a class act and, much more to the point, a genuine leader of men, something in very short supply. I said at the time it was a stupid, stupid decision. The argument that Morrison was "injury prone" was always bollox, utter, total, and complete bollox. More bollox than the Great Yorkshire Show prize bull. He has never been "injury prone" in his career, and it is annoying that people can't distinguish between being "injury prone" and being unlucky enough to suffer some really horrible but proper injuries.
Missing half the season through a succession of hamstring tears and pull is being injury prone. Breaking your fscking wrist just, well, ISN'T.'"
Sitting on the fence again. Tsch.
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| Since moving to Bicester, it's 2 years since I've been to Odsal. So I was really looking forward to the day even though it would be a 7 hour 350 mile round trip. It was great to be back, but they've not got a clue still.
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| We had a poor game what make it worse is that it was the first home game of the season so all the fickle fans will be of a mind set of “not paying to watch that again”
I believe the players were trying of course they were it’s only the start of the season, St’s had a good defence and we do not have enough plays to cross the line, there were some poor referring decisions which cost us dearly and the breaks that were made by us were followed by poor follow-up and decisions by the players. Our defence was shocking and any team that gets close to our line looks like scoring but we don’t look anything like scoring at the other end.
If Steve Mac cant turn things around soon he will be gone by the end of April, I will give it that long.
I will be at the match on Friday so COOOOOOM on you BULLS
PS i never wanted to get rid of MORROW
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