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| Quote ="mat"total cobblers. Its an automatic 6 point deduction for entering admin then RFL have discretion to reduce the penalty dependent on amount of debt repaid. Spelled out in operational rules. ..'"
Interesting. Which Rule?
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| Quote ="Bubbashrimp"How the hell is this allowed to stay, disgusting.
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Probably it's because the person it was directed at is a . That's my theory.
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| Quote ="daveyz999"2 points from making the play offs, with full squad still intact, we may actually pull this off!!
Would be one of our finest achievement imo, the play off cash would also be nice!'"
Echo the points above.
No reason to complain we knew we would get a point deduction of pos 6 points look unto the future now guys on 6 games left of the season and we are only 2 points from 8th, and we play hull kr on the 12th of august, and all being well that could be the game that defines our season.
Looking at the fixtures we seem to have played nearly all of the top 6, and with hudds on the slide along with hull fc we may pull of a couple of more shocks that will send us back into the 8, we need at least 4 wins from the 6 remaining games to more or less guarantee our pos in the 8. KR could win 4 of their games so we need to beat them at home on the 12th so they only win 3 and we overtake them.
Keep the faith guys, we pushed leeds all the way on friday if it wasnt for stupid errors they may not have scored 4 tries.
to quote Comander Quincy Taggart, from Galaxy quest:
"Never give up, Never surrender."
COYB!!!!
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| Quote ="Bubbashrimp"So it's my fault now, ever heard of the AUP?
I think you and the foul mouth who posted this should have a read of it instead of aiming your criticism at me.'"
What is the difference between him writing it and you reposting it in terms of causing offense? Why didn't you mask the word in your quote? Read my response and you'll see I wasn't defending the original post but pointing out your stupidity in quoting it unedited. Leave it to the mods rather than getting on your high horse.
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| Obviously Bradford have a problem with some of their "fans", having just read the thread on the ladies train journey and the intimidating behaviour encountered I suppose I shouldn't be to shocked to see this kind of thing tolerated.
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| Anyone else think the timing of these announcements is engineered?
No we haven't seen an offer, yes we have seen an offer - bang! Six points.
Something makes me feel this has already all been agreed.
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| Quote ="Bubbashrimp"Obviously Bradford have a problem with some of their "fans", having just read the thread on the ladies train journey and the intimidating behaviour encountered I suppose I shouldn't be to shocked to see this kind of thing tolerated.'"
Yeah cos if you go to Odsal the terraces are just cammed with fellas and no ladies or kids to be seen. What with our terrible reputation of being sexist pigs.
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| Quote ="Adam79"But what about if xyz consortium came in and bought the bulls with the intention of paying the debts off?'"
Well if there is an XYZ consortium they are doing a good job of keeping quiet so far
The Administrator has repeatedly said that ABC are the only show in town. And despite various 'rumours' that there are other people interested, none of those supposedly interested parties appear to have made their interest known
So we are where are, I'm afraid
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| So is there an Operational Rule with an automatic 6 point deduction, or isn't there?
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| Quote ="bren2k"If I'm right, it could suggest that they're close to agreeing a deal with ABC; .'"
Why would they announce it today if that were true. Why not not just wait until the deal is announced?
Unless they want get this penalty, for going into administration, out of the way before announcing a further penalty, for going into liquidation.
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| Two on-field targets now - first priority, make the play-offs. Second, and not to be sniffed at, more wins than losses for the first time since 2008 - this goes unaffected by the points deduction.
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| I think it's rather ungenerous to be calling the rfl given all the extra help -and time- the bulls gave been given. Keighley, doncaster, Rochdale and widnes all received the maximum deduction. Wakefield were given their points deduction within a week of administration- you've had yours a month later.
Regardless you should see this as a positive as it appears as if the bid is going to be accepted and you are to stay in SL- otherwise they wouldn't bother with the points deduction. It's harsh on you fans but be grateful you still have a club in the top flight.
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| Quote ="jools"I think it's rather ungenerous to be calling the rfl given all the extra help -and time- the bulls gave been given. Keighley, doncaster, Rochdale and widnes all received the maximum deduction. Wakefield were given their points deduction within a week of administration- you've had yours a month later.
[uRegardless you should see this as a positive as it appears as if the bid is going to be accepted and you are to stay in SL- otherwise they wouldn't bother with the points deduction[/u. It's harsh on you fans but be grateful you still have a club in the top flight.'"
Simply not true. The points deduction is for the 2012 season. The RFL have already stated that they will get the Bulls through the 2012 season so the points deduction should go ahead. If another team failed to get a play off place because the points were not docked there would have been serious problems among SL clubs. It has no bearing on the RFL response to the 'bid'.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So is there an Operational Rule with an automatic 6 point deduction, or isn't there?'"
So, there isn't??
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So is there an Operational Rule with an automatic 6 point deduction, or isn't there?'"
here try this from another thread
The points were deducted under RFL Operational Rule 4, details of which are on Page 119 of the 2012 RFL Official Guide, which can also be viewed by visiting www.therfl.co...erational_rules
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here try this from another thread
The points were deducted under RFL Operational Rule 4, details of which are on Page 119 of the 2012 RFL Official Guide, which can also be viewed by visiting www.therfl.co...erational_rules
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| Link's broke
p 119 doesn't mention "points"
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| Quote ="debaser"So 4 for Wakefield and Crusaders and 6 for us? Consistency. NOT.'"
Yes, but we didn't get any help from the RFL regarding extensions or wage paying, or any help from clubs i.e the money from ticket sales where as Bradford have, and we also sold 3 of our players (Obst, Millard and Ferguson) in the administration, where as Bradford havn't and not used the money they could have got from the player sales, to pay of any debt.
However put that aside, I hope that you get your future sorted and get back to been a viable rugby league club (like 2005!)
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| So some administrations are more administration than others? So Wakey and Crusaders were less in administration than we are?
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| Quote ="debaser"So some administrations are more administration than others? So Wakey and Crusaders were less in administration than we are?'"
Wakey and Crusaders managed to pay some of their creditors,the Bulls haven't,hence a 6 point deduction.
BULLS STATEMENT REGARDING POINTS DEDUCTION
Bradford Bulls have today reacted to the six points deduction imposed by the RFL for entering Administration.
Bulls Interim CEO Gary Tasker said:
“We expected a deduction of points by the RFL and we of course accept that penalty. We are not yet in a position to be able to offer any recompense to our Creditors and as such a six point deduction was what we expected.
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| You can't jump up and down and simply point at wakey and crusaders and ignore Doncaster, Keighley, rochdale and widnes. (didn't widnes get 9 points which was equivalent to three wins!)
Wakey were in debt to £300,000- bulls have got themselves into a much bigger financial hole. It's not the players or the fans fault-those at fault have cleared off after taking your cash! The rfl have done much more for bulls than they did for any other club facing this- Clearly the consortium is not willing to pay off debts and players are not being sold to do so thetefore the maximum penalty has been given-you can't have it all ways.
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| doesn't the tax man have a say in things? seeing as i pay my tax i would expect them to accept all they are owed from the bulls ! it isn't my fault that they didn't pay the tax..selling players would get some money in to repay creditors..bulls should be forced to do this.
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| Quote ="tamargrace"doesn't the tax man have a say in things? seeing as i pay my tax i would expect them to accept all they are owed from the bulls ! it isn't my fault that they didn't pay the tax..selling players would get some money in to repay creditors..bulls should be forced to do this.'"
I couldn't agree more .... sell players and pay debts!
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I think you've answered your own question FA. They are cretins and morons ergo there was no reasoning. Once again the politburo in Rot Hall making it up on a whim.
If anyone thinks I'm being harsh, then I'll reconsider, if and when, there is any explanation, but from those hopeless despots I'll not hold my breath. Maybe we could write to Martyn Sadler??'"
Martyn Sadler?? Is this the same Martyn Sadler that's in the back pocket of the "RFL"??
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Hopefully the max points deduction is a green light to tip the wink to staff and suppliers that they'll get paid and then tell the Bank and the Tax man to shove it!'"
I don't follow how a max point deduction for entering administration correlates to potentially paying the staff.
As for tax man wouldn't he be the first in line for payment. If they get told as u say to shove it, couldn't they put the club into liquidation
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"But unkind to slag the RFL off when you remember that they leant you £ 750,000.00 on January 2011 to keep you going, then when the repayments on this loan were not made they worked with you to find a way forward, as a result thaey agreed to pay you £ 1,500,000.00 plus vat for the Odsal lease, they contrad the original £ 750,000.00 and paid over to you £ 750,000.00 plus the vat on £ 1,500.000.00. I think you have to agree that the above shiowed great faith towards Bradford from the RFL. On top of this the SL have pre paid sky monies to you, a company in administration on the verge of liquidation, to pay wages. I think a bit of humility and gratitude is in order from bradford fans towards the games authorities instead of silly name calling. It is the rest of the game that should be asking questions of the RFL to find out why such finacial support was offered to an obviously failing business.'"
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