I'm as grateful as all the fans on here that we have a team especially after the nightmare in December but how much blood can be squeezed out of that stone. Do the new owners just get a free pass on everything because the team exists in some capacity?

Totally agree here mate, the thing is why on gods green earth would Geoff toovey come halfway around the world for things to end up as they currently are his reputation is completely on the line. There has to be an end game and from what you said chalmers said to you this is my thought on it too. There has to be a why spend if you don't need to mentality going on there truly has to if they passed all the conditions the rfl wanted for potential owners to take over

If you're happy for the playing side to be mismanaged and our youngsters getting flogged mercilessly, you're gonna be in a pretty small minority very quickly. I'm a supporter too, but I'm not a mug and will only be taken for one so many times.

Fair enough. I do think that that attitude is just saying 'I'll take my bat home because nobody was prepared to give the club millions of pounds" though, but you are entitled to it.

I was one of the, at the time, many who would have rather gone down a league at the beginning of the season as the alternative was watching us struggle in the Championship. What's changed? We are struggling. We might survive, we might not, but I'm angry with the RFL for this situation, not the current owners who said straight up that they didn't have millions to invest. As far as I can tell from the administration process, nobody else did either.

Are you not angry with the owners for their complete lack of engagement with the fans? For their inability to even communicate the most basic of things to the people who support the club?

Thoughts? He doesn't say anything new.

I think you're interpretation is a bit wide of the mark there. In my opinion nobody's asking the new owners to pump in millions. Just being honest and open with communication would be a good start.



Have you seen the editorial in today's League Express where Martyn Sadler mentions how the RFL have profited from our last period of administration and liquidation and potentially influenced who the new owners were - according to the administrator.

If you were feeling uncharitable you could point to the links that Chalmers and Wood had prior to our latest admin and wonder if something untoward were going on.

But what would the RFL have to gain from having Chalmers and Lowe in Place now?
If we carry on as we are or get relegated the fans will be gone and the club will go bust again..

We are a good few weeks on from when I started this thread but yet still nobody is any wiser, still no investment in the playing squad, no communication and no real progress after the initial wins and Leeds loan players, infact we have gone backwards.

There has got to be something that we are all missing?

If there is it's well hidden.

As for the Cha-Lo relatitionship with the RFL we know Chalmers and Wood have worked together in the past whereas perhaps other failed bidders didn't have such a relationship. Perhaps Wood wanted someone at the club they knew and could influence? The administrator wasn't happy with the role the RFL played in the process. We'll never know the truth but it does make you wonder.

Meanwhile we're treated like mushrooms.

What we are missing is the fact that with only three weeks to the season we didn't exist. The disruption this would have caused was avoided by what has happened. Imagine if a conversation went something like this. "Hey, we need someone with some rugby experience to pretend to take the Bulls on and fulfill this years fixtures. We can pretend that Geoff Toovey will be coach. This will make sure that all the fans are kept on board to swell the coffers of the other CH teams."
ChaLo : "What happens next year".
RFL: "That doesn't matter because we are restructuring to make sure we have Toulouse and Toronto in SL"
ChaLo: "What about the Bulls?"
RFL "What about the Bulls"

that could be it...

Word on the street today is super league 1 and 2 with championship its own entity..
Also on an even more depressing note Colton Roche rumoured to be gone next year..

What street is that?

Lumb lane

Ha, I know a nice street in Tenerife that's like Lumb Lane used to be, if you know what I mean

And did the street say when this is going to happen

That's on the League Express website. It's essentially that he's out of contract at the end of the season and there are some Super League clubs sniffing around him for when it runs out.

What if we are a Super league club? Lol

Roche's agent is Craig Harrison (Show Me the Money on twitter).

Incidentally he was at the BullBuilder Ball on Friday night raising money for BullBuilder.

What an outrageous invention. You should be ashamed. Go put words in your own mouth. I've watched the vast majority of Bradford games and put tens of thousands into the club over five decades so don't start chirping at me about "taking my bat home" you insulting little twerp.

Let me ask you this:

Do you claim that in order to sign enough experienced reasonable standard Championship-level forwards at some point since taking over would have cost our new owners "millions of pounds"?

We are not in this hole due to lack of millions of pounds being pumped in. The absence of ANY MONEY AT ALL to solve the pack problem is the issue.

You may think every other Championship team has a front row worth millions of pounds. If that is your opinion, you are of course entitled to it, however ludicrous.

I think unless there is a conspiracy about to raise its head it's c1 for us next year..

You are right Championship clubs don`t have front rows worth millions of pounds but they do have them signed to contracts. Where are these players to solve the pack problem? Should we approach them and ask them to break contracts?

Not a problem if you have money to spend like Toronto. Clearly we are skint and our owners lack the capability to take the club forward.

Anyway when the season started Ryan Bailey was without a club. Ben Harrison is still without a club.

Would a few player swap deals not be possible if transfers are out of the question?

Is the only option just to accept inevitable relegation and probable extinction?

I get what you are saying re Toronto, but would Bailey have been the sort of player we should sign just because he`s available. I guess he came out of retirement for the money and to Bully the C1 teams (easy money). Like most fans I am disillusioned with the lack of communication coming out of the club, but I feel there must be a motive we don’t know about in bringing Geoff Toovey here and him sticking around. There are other out of work coaches who could fill the bill for a skint club (Dewsbury just found one pretty quick) better than bringing someone with his pedigree half way round the world. I`m hoping that there is something going to happen which cant be divulged. Surely the RL don`t want to risk losing a big part of 4000 fans by the Bulls ending up part time in the C1.

There won't be 4000 fans by the end of the season if we continue as we are.

If, and it's a huge if, there is a get out of relegation clause at the end of the season and the owners know about it they might well be playing their cards right in not throwing money at anyone. It certainly appears like it as the prospect of relegation doesn't seem to be on their radar once you decipher the press releases or listen to Mick's interviews.

Fact is that the poor performances will impact on crowds and income whether we're safe or not. And that puts the club in danger. The owners have to make more of an effort whether they like it or not.