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| Quote ="Bullseye"...
HP left in 2001 you know, after that we won 2 GFs, 1 CC and 3 WCCs without him. While he was gone Hape and Vainikolo formed one of the best centre, wing partnerships seen in SL with Les topping the try scoring charts. If that's struggling then I'd like to see what success was.
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TBF I think when he referred to "HP", tigertot meant Hiestyn Paris.
It's the Waggle Dance, prolonged and ample consumption of which means he's slurring his words, that's all.
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| Quote ="tigertot"...Wire having Reardon, Johnson, Bridge etc almost permanently injured...'"
Thats not just unlucky though, is it? We let Johnson go precisely because of his being injury-prone, and Bridge for well-documented (if unconfirmed) reasons which his being dubbed "sick note" at Wire did little to dispel. OK, no such information on Reardon, and his taking his bat home with Bulls is not relevant in this argument.
I'd say though that situation reflects more on the Bulls making decsions re some players at least which with hindsight appear better than they may have done at the time? Given we got a few wrong too, at least that helps even things up a bit?
As for the general "unlucky" thread...I'm sure folk could list on here a shedload of examples. Give Mick a page or two on Ganson and the Clown alone... I personally think we have had a bad run of things that have been outside the team (or the club's) control - and I'm NOT talking about injuries, since our bad luck there is part and parcel of the game. But, as I said somewhere else, we have to play the cards we have been dealt. Life's a bitch, and we have to live with it.
Quote ="tigertot"Bulls don't have a sugar daddy. Most clubs don't. get over it. '"
Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Huddersfield, Salford, Leeds (to a point - he's there if needed), Hull KR (to a point, IIRC?) all do. I suspect Cats, Quins and Celtic won't be allowed to struggle financially by the RFL - and if so, probably rightly IMO. Not sure of the "sugar daddy" or otherwise status of Celtic or Quins (now). My latest understanding is that Hull FC(other than the good fortune of the stadium), Cas (good luck to them - does any Bulls fan not like Cas?) and Wakey are the other clubs without a wealthy backer. From my recollection, anyway.
If your "most clubs..." observation was aimed at all pro RL clubs then dead right; if aimed at SL-level clubs, then I suggest rather less so?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Cullen's gone to Widnes, another club now with a wealthy backer, so he's out of the reckoning.'"
In the interests of clarification re sugar daddies...?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Some of the Negative Tendency originally said give it ten games (for about two nanoseconds until they backslided anyway...
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Friends, Romans and tigertot, lend me your ears
Well afrter popular demand I will break my exile in the face of sensational on field performances against Wigan and to tell it like it is as always.
I originally said 10 games to Eddie but he has broken faith with me despite me promising the mother of all McBanana polls on my planned return after 10 games. For shame Eddie, for Shame Some perspective has been lacking over recent weeks in your ramblings.
Alas some on here have been losing the plot and even had the temerity to suggest 'the end of McBanana' Et tu Roofaldo, et tu...
I refuse to be seen as part of any tendency positive or negative. BUT someone has to come out against the rhetoric of the 'transitional season' being purported by the likes of FA and af. I don't want to support a club that is saying it is 'transtional' or 'building' after 3 games in. Why can't we be like McDermott and Morgan who have thrown the gauntlet down and already upset a few. The mentality at the club is defeatist and totally unacceptable IMO.
McBanana seems unable to turn around our fortunes - hes more like a droopy carrot at present, and too many are acting like apologists while in reality we are getting worse season on season. I will still give him the benefit of the doubt for 10 games though AS, beleive it or not, there have been [u positives[/u.
1. Defense was great in first two games - rewind the clock a week and hey presto we're a different team
2. Some players have improve out of sight from last season - Nero to name but one. People should have had more faith like me all along.
3. Dare I say it but Platt is coming on too.
4. Menzies looks a class act, Morrison great as usual.
5. I reckon we'll start squeezing teams out more when Lynch gets back. He for me is the heart and soul of the team and to do without is like Leeds without Peacock or Senfield.
6. The food at the ground is improving. Although I fear this could be a negative if Solomona is given free reign of Odsal on a matchday
Wigan IMO was just a bad day at the office. But the overall decline is my worry. FA and af spout on about how we can't expect to win the easy beat teams any more but you guys are the same ones saying our pack can match it with anyone in the league - so which is it to be??? IMO our pack with a fit Lynch is the best in the league and if our backs can get some confidence back we SHOULD be expecting to finish in the top 4/5. So if things don't change drastically after 10 games I will be calling for sliced Banana...
But give him time yet. The bad run so far COULD be explained by the interupted start plus a bit of simple bad luck (Wigan).
All in all I feel we STILL have the personnel in place to be succuessful, improving on last year. Whilst criticsing in these forums is OK we need to get behind the boys next week when they are out on the paddock against Dull. COME ON YOU BULLS
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Huddersfield, Salford, Leeds (to a point - he's there if needed), Hull KR (to a point, IIRC?) all do. I suspect Cats, Quins and Celtic won't be allowed to struggle financially by the RFL - and if so, probably rightly IMO. Not sure of the "sugar daddy" or otherwise status of Celtic or Quins (now). My latest understanding is that Hull FC(other than the good fortune of the stadium), Cas (good luck to them - does any Bulls fan not like Cas?) and Wakey are the other clubs without a wealthy backer. From my recollection, anyway.
If your "most clubs..." observation was aimed at all pro RL clubs then dead right; if aimed at SL-level clubs, then I suggest rather less so?'"
I was referring to all pro clubs. I have spent time at non-SL clubs getting changed under Batley's stand ducking under sheets of wet polythene stretched across the changing rooms to keep the leaks off you, 15 blokes sharing a cold shower (heee, it worr 'ard) etc. I would agree that those highlighted do have an advantage (bleedin' obvious), not that it guarantees you success. How Saints manage is beyond most.
The others I am not sure who is a sugar daddy, who is generous, who is suicidal. Hudds & HKR seem to be a model to follow. Steady growth on & off the pitch, but on paper no better squads than Bulls. Cats apart the others have (far?) worse squads.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Friends, Romans and tigertot, lend me your ears...'"
Given how most on here have come to bury Macca and not to praise him (or anything else for that matter...), can't you persuade your mate MA to drop in and do a bit of mob-turning here too? His credentials in that regard are of course impeccable...
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Quote ="tigertot"I was referring to all pro clubs. I have spent time at non-SL clubs getting changed under Batley's stand ducking under sheets of wet polythene stretched across the changing rooms to keep the leaks off you, 15 blokes sharing a cold shower (heee, it worr 'ard) etc.'"
Wet polythene? Shower? You were lucky. In my day we stood in t'acid rain and it stripped the mud of us with a lair o skin, an we were grateful for it.
www.phespirit.info/montypython/f ... iremen.htm
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Wet polythene? Shower? You were lucky. In my day we stood in t'acid rain and it stripped the mud of us with a lair o skin, an we were grateful for it.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Given how most on here have come to bury Macca and not to praise him (or anything else for that matter...), can't you persuade your mate MA to drop in and do a bit of mob-turning here too? His credentials in that regard are of course impeccable...'" Sorry but i am lost. Who is MA as i am trying to work it out? Am i missing something here?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Sorry but i am lost. Who is MA as i am trying to work it out? Am i missing something here?'"
He is your alter ego Mystic Aardvark who alters debate by constantly arguing with himself
Boy are you paranoid.
P.S. I am not ME or FA or BadfordServiceCrew
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Sorry but i am lost. Who is MA as i am trying to work it out? Am i missing something here?'"
Seemingly. Marcus Antonius. He from whom the Nero-worshipper was quoting... It wasn't a typo and its not you, don't worry - you instead play the role of the soothsayer telling Caesar to beware the Ides of March...
Edit - speaking of soothsayers, just had a terrible vision myself - one where you and the 'Vark had indeed morphed into one to form an MA on here...jeez that would be like forever listening to Smeagol/Gollum debating with himself on the road to Mordor...eeek!!!!!
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| Quote ="Adeybull":32k6fqykSeemingly. Marcus Antonius. He from whom the Nero-worshipper was quoting... It wasn't a typo and its not you, don't worry - you instead play the role of the soothsayer telling Caesar to beware the Ides of March...
'" . I think i need to brush up on my mythology it appears!
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I think i need to brush up on my mythology'"
Sacrilege eddie, you mean your ancient history.
Then again a bit of myth making would be fun right now. Given me an idea for a thread...
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Sacrilege eddie, you mean your ancient history.
Then again a bit of myth making would be fun right now. Given me an idea for a thread...'"
Mythtic Eddie?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Ah! Thanks for that. I did not think it was me in the first place [that was for you AP. I think i need to brush up on my mythology it appears!'"
AP will string you up! Like his hero Nero, Mark Anthony was no myth but very real though (go ask Cleo...! ), despite the liberties that Shakespeare no doubt took with the character.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Sacrilege eddie, you mean your ancient history.
Then again a bit of myth making would be fun right now. Given me an idea for a thread...'"
ME = cyclops??
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Sacrilege eddie, you mean your ancient history.
Then again a bit of myth making would be fun right now. Given me an idea for a thread...'"
Waiting list for the Oracle at Delphi...?
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Woo hoo thank f.. for that
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| Quote ="Bradford Badger"We have to admit that our time as challengers for trophies has gone, we're on the downer from the most successful period in the clubs history.'"
Crucial point - in the same way excitement was heightened by not havin won a major trophy for fifteen years, now expectations are raised and so disappointment increased by the contrast with recent successes.
Quote ="debaser"So the underlying thoughts in this thread are that:
1) accept that we are rebuilding.
Questions - Are we? What evidence is there for that?'"
The number of Bulls youngsters that went to Aus in the junior GB squad last year.
Quote 2) accept that we have no divine right to win every game.
I accept that. But we should still be competing in every game shouldn't we?'"
Generally we are but that doesn't seem to be enough for many fans.
Quote ="isaac1"Keep Medley in a caretaker/transition role.'"
Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"I refuse to be seen as part of any tendency positive or negative. BUT someone has to come out against the rhetoric of the 'transitional season' being purported by the likes of FA and af. I don't want to support a club that is saying it is 'transtional' or 'building' after 3 games in. Why can't we be like McDermott and Morgan who have thrown the gauntlet down and already upset a few. The mentality at the club is defeatist and totally unacceptable IMO.'"
Any time McNamara has made positive comments in the press, he has been criticised on here for not letting the rugby do the talking.
Quote Whilst criticsing in these forums is OK we need to get behind the boys next week when they are out on the paddock against Dull. COME ON YOU BULLS'"
Didn't happen. Didn't even let Platt get on the pitch before booing him. Seriously, if you feel the need to boo a player onto the field then something's going wrong in your life that you can't seriously expect your local Super League club to try and compensate for.
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"On Justin Morgan, the difference there is that he has brought a club up from a lower division, made some quality signings that Bradford should have been in the running for (e.g. Webster, Fox, possibly even Walker, Vella, Newton etc), and also managed to perform occasionally against the bigger clubs, which Bradford seem incapable of doing since 2007. Against this backdrop the occasional big losses can often be overlooked by the fans - again their expectations weren't high in the past but that won't be the case for ever.
The problem with McNamara is that things seem to be getting gradually worse every year, despite his efforts to reverse things; other coaches at 'lesser' clubs (Morgan, Matterson, Kear etc) at least give the impression that improvements are being made from previous seasons. If this downward spiral continues the club have to ask if McNamara is the right person given the resources avaiulable to take Bradford forward - but he at least needs time to show that his 2009 team can deliver. Look at Huddersfield in 2007 - started with many consecutive wins and then went on to make the play-offs.'"
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| Quote ="PHILISAN"Regardless of results/funding etc..The players are professionals,as is the coach and in Super League terms,[uat present our Club is not appearing to be anything like[/u,whatever deficiencies there may be in skill levels.'"
Anything like? Really? The thing is, I think people believe this actually is the case, that there are no positives, that nothing is to be lost by hitting the reset button.
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