Don't worry about that. Respect for your fans, players and (ex) coach is sky-high with almost everyone involved in the game and deservedly so.

If Caisley were to save you how many would still stump up their hard earned cash to watch the Bulls? If this same situation happened at the Giants with regards to what Caisley has done then I wouldn't set foot in the ground until he'd upped sticks and sold the club on. I'm only going on what I've read on the net but it seems a very underhand way the Bulls have been treat by someone who's supposed to have your best interests at heart.

Good luck and I hope you pull through it, have a lot of mates who support you and I always enjoy a day out at Odsal once a season.

As one of the late comers to Bullbuilder alluded to by Adey and MDF I accepted the premise that supporting the pledge was the right course of action to follow at the time.

But with the the club folding completely now being real possibility, then the fans willing to stand up and be counted are going to need some structure to rally round if we have to start from scratch. I am sure last night's meeting was set up with all the right intentions, and even if I could not actually get in I got to thank MP for his efforts, but there was no proper organisation or objectives.

Posters have also explained that setting up a supporters organisation is a complicated process, and this is obviously the case. So if willing shouldn't B/B consider widening it's objectives now as if the worst comes to the worst and we do have to start again from the bottom of the ladder then genuine fans are going to need some banner to rally round?

Bang on. I for one would be willing to match every penny i put into the pledge by supporting such a venture.

BullBuilder is a democratic organisation. If that is what the members want to do, then that's what it will do. I think we had suggestions in this direction from 2 or 3 people (presumably including you) so far. Certainly no groundswell. However, I appreciate that circumstances have changed, and if members now want this - or if new members wanting this start to join - then they could re-orientate BullBuilder in this way. Due to other commitments, as mentioned above, I suspect most of the board (me included) might not go along, but the Trust belongs to the members, not the board. We certainly won't stand in the way.

This is the point. To even talk about Bullbuilder henceforth running Bradford Bulls RLFC, even leaving aside the absence of funding, you first of all need to have a number of suitable candidates who for at least the next year and probably longer are prepared to devote their lives to doing this for nothing. If they don't step forward then you aren't even at first base.

Were there such a vanguard, I too would be happy to match my pledge, but doing so would pay the wages for about 15 minutes, and me making that 'commitment' is in fact little more than taking the proverbial.

If think BB does a great job - and as you say often thankless. But if the much heralded "rescue" does not materialise we really will need to work from the bottom up - so perhaps some limited pre-planning might not go amiss and I am reasonably certain there would be more volunteers - maybe even some with relevent experience and some time to spare.

I know Ferocious has just commented that individual contributions are a drop in the ocean - but surely that is the reason the fans need to join together as their collective contribution could make a difference?

As I say I still have some - albeit failing - hope there might be a different solution but think we should be starting to contemplate a Plan B being required - and I am not talking about a rap singer for the pre-match, though my son tells me he would prove a bigger pull on the gate than the Bulls!

You were. And you were one of the very very few across the fanbase that I saw putting forward considered proposals. Which is why I would suggest readers might wish to pay particular attention when you post on here.

In response to the speeches being given from the top table last night about setting up a supporters trust to be the vehicle of the fans, some will recall I pointed out to the chair and to the meeting that we already had an existing supporters' trust - already empowered to do pretty well what they were looking to do, and set up under the auspices of and backed by Supporters Direct.

I questioned why they would seek to start from scratch (if indeed SD would sponsor a second trust), and pointed out that all that would be required would be for interested fans to join Bullbuilder (The Bradford Rugby League Supporters Society Limited) and elect/appoint directors and other officers/helpers who could then take their campaign forward. I must admit, I am unsure why they had not sought to talk to the BB board before - maybe they misunderstood what BB was - but at least now everyone should be aware. Indeed, when they contacted SD last week, Jacqui there rang me and asked permission to forward to them our contact details (see website) as she saw little point in people trying to start all over again and result in fragmentation of fans' efforts.

We always knew that we could make no progress with acquiring a stake in the club under the previous mad shareholdings - something Supporters Direct fully concurred with at the time - but the vehicle was then there for if and when something maybe circumstances changed. In the meantime, we concentrated on something we COULD make a difference by doing.

I can only reiterate what MDF said above - Bullbuilder is the sum of its members, and the board is elected/appointed to carry out the wishes of the membership. At the AGM in January, I asked the specific question was the board pursuing the wishes and intentions of the members, and were they happy with what we were doing? A clear yes. But that was then and this is now. Bulls supporters already have a supporters trust established and empowered to do most of what was put to the meeting (a full takeover might require some amendment to the Society Rules, probably in conjuction with SD). Although I am not speaking for them here, I believe none of the existing board would have any hesitation in making way for a new group seeking to pursue a new prime objective - I certainly would not, and will stand down at the earliest opportunity once the next secretary is appointed.

So its over to the fanbase.

Accoring to Sir Gledhill BG & CC have held a meeting today at non other than the famous place that is..........Spoons in Ilkley?!

It's difficult to appreciate the extent to which we were presented with a fait accompli and just how manipulative the management of the information has been. We were told we literally had days to save the club and if we managed to achive this aim then all was well. Obviously when a business sells its lease for £1.25 million and still can't pay the wages that is palpably nonsense but how do you get that information as a fans group without the time, expertise, mandate or money when the club itself is saying something completely different. Into this scenario comes another group of former directors/shareholders (with more inside knowldege than the fans group) saying they have investors etc. The previous board gets the message out their removal from the board is a stitch up irrespective of the mess they've left and blah blah blah.

It's a minefield of lies, egos and possibly fraud with some saying the administrator is part of a broader deception. To say Bullbuilder should step forward and sort out a mess this long in the making is unfair.

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Im sure he's a leeds fan on twitter

Could be just someone eagle-eyed enough to try make a quick buck if that particular scenario does happen!

It is.

I'm sure his intentions are pure. #rugbyleaguefamily

Still seems to be signs of movements in Ilkley today then - but if it all ended in a fight over who picks up the bill rather than PG saying "oh let me pay " - thinking "I bill him back later" - and we really are left looking over the fence at a big empty hole next week then maybe a Bullbuilder general meeting might be an idea. I might even shave off the facial hair to avoid being mistaken for CC and set upon!!
If the BUlls do carry on then even with BB's current remit it is likely there will be the need to replace a lot of our current young players?

Aaaaaargh! There are few enough moustachioed Bulls fans as it is (though I detect the number is on the up, especially since Movember, and can only increase following the fine example of the locals at that weird event in Poland and Ukraine). Have some moral courage man!

BullBuilder will not be going away unless there is no reason for it to exist (i.e. no Bulls or successor). In the circumstances you quote, I suspect that an EGM would be essential, either to decide to change the remit or to wind up and give refunds. Speaking for myself, rather than the Trust, I'd prefer to know what our options were before calling the meeting. Once the circumstances are known, though, I agree that it may be necessary to move quickly.

Yes this week has taken on a macabre fascination - and though I am sure things are still going on in the background maybe not in the direction hoped by the parties concerned

Reading this thread and others across the board, I would think I am safe in the knowledge that the ever-increasingly-likely return of Caisley would make him about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. If he does ride into town on a white charger/asthmatic donkey/Iestyn Harris, would enough supporters from SD and BullBuilder consider the FC United route? Granted, it's a massive ask and a gargantuan task akin to getting your arms around Brendan Hill, but if enough people feel strongly about it, is it something to be considered?

This is the way, the truth and the light.

Of course, that would more than likely be the only path to tread should liquidation happen, but it should be a considered option should Caisley be shown up to be the charlatan that he is, and has ridden roughshod over the loyal fans, players and staff to get his grubby paws on what remains. Rise up and viva le revolution? I'd go along with it, for sure.........

We could end up with either no club, one club or two! I know which one i would support regardless of which league it would be in.

Tweet from Andy Wilson:

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am hearing a new bradford chief exec could be announced soon. won't be any great surprise.

and:

initials GT not CC. I thought Gillian Taylforth a bit left-field, but she not done much since Eastenders

Any ideas?