Back on the tupe issue, I would guess that if some logic is applied (not sure if that's achievable or not) the players tupe would be deemed invalid and their contracts returned to the previous ownership now in administration.
Tupe is only relevant from when a new company succeeds another which doesn't appear to be the case if this is all true.
If it isn't the case I would imagine the bulls playing players from another company would make them in-eligible & may lead to further sanctions?
On a slightly different skew who sanctioned the sales of Carvell and Sammut? As this if sanctioned by the RFL would indicate something surely?

Absolutely, a deduction is fair if any creditor (bar Omar who deserves all he gets/doesn't get) has suffered.

I really do wish the players had agreed to the proposed 10% temporary wage cut.

So basically, EVERYTHING is the RFL's fault?

People need to move away from this victim mentality. The only people to blame for bradfords heartbraking financial plight is bradford themselves.

The fans fault? The players fault?
That's what you mean is it?

This is all very sad and I hope there is a resolution around the corner.

I find the rage directed towards the RFL puzzling though, my understanding is that there have been a number of concessions which have led to the Bulls still being alive (to an extent) and in Sl today.

The points deduction appears to be a rational decision in the circumstances.

The lack of funding (whilst I don't agree with the premise) was not an RFL move as far as I understand? Further, I understand that it was agreed by the Bulls as a means of avoiding other sanctions (expulsion, points deduction etc).

Then there's the takeover - which the RFL appear to be unhappy with given the proposal to buy the Bulls with its own cash (despite requesting further advances?)

I come across this sort of wrath in my professional life - everybody is the victim and its always the bank's fault, the regulator's fault, the customer's fault, the government's fault, the competitor's fault. More often than not it is down to mismanagement and it is painfully obvious that that is the case with the Bulls. That mismanagement has come home to roost and it's not the RFL's fault - they have a competition and a number of other clubs to consider.

I think it's fait to say the prospective owners knew the rules when the Oldco went into Admin? I certainly knew that meant a points deduction for the Bulls, why didn't they?

I cannot understand how you can blame the RFL for putting people out of a job. Surely its down to mismanagement by your board thats to blame for this? Your previous owner promised to pump money into the club (I assume thats why the RFL sanctioned the takeover last time), it didn't work, can you seriously expect them to give you ANOTHER chance?

The points deduction may be fair. The £1m+ fine was always going to be the killer blow.

The reduction in Sky money was a result of the revelation the RFL had lent money to a club. They did so in the knowledge they couldn't pay it back and did not place the club in special measures.

Who is Bradford? It's the fans and players and how it is any of their/our fault I have no idea.

The owners have all been and gone and the only people who had any semblance of control over them were the RFL. They have failed miserably.. maybe not through lack of trying, but the attempts were a massive failure, as were the owners. All have failed, none are above reprieve.

If you were buying a rugby league club out of admin would you give the creditors one penny?

Only of you wanted to use them again. The precedent now set means there's no point so why waste money?

the precedent is the RFL will make it up as they go along

That's true if you meet Nigel wood on a plane you don't get any penalty.

Is this the same RFL that bought your ground to help you survive on a previous occasion?

So even when the RFL help you, it's still all their fault?

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I don't remember anyone moaning about this loan in 2012, when you were busy blaming it on the rfl for other reasons.

But would you be buying a SL club and the financial support that goes with it? That has value !!
No point paying money for the alternative I agree, which is a champ 1 club with its hands washed of debt and contracts
The blame is with your custodians and the pain with your fans.

Sorry, but I have to say that some of the perceived "surprise" on here confuses me greatly. This has not exactly just crept up on the club now has it? How many warnings have we/you all had? Blimey if I could call it out from up here that things were so obvious then how comes some of our more local based "experts" tried to shoot me down over this situation?

And for so long?

It leads me to believe that some people on here are either...

1. Not quite as clued up as they think they think they are,
or,
2. Could not see the wood for the trees and blindly swallowed the crap that the club have come out with for years now.

I have said on here on MANY occasions (and, no, this is NOT an "I told you so"icon_wink.gif that the club was only headed one way and I have been called out about it on each and every one of these occasions. Apparently I was wrong and everything would be ok (pardon the pun) in the end.

But it wasn't, and, TBH, it never ever looked like it was going to be.

However, I am sure that all these "experts" who have been so vocal about what I, and many more people have said on here for some time now, will all come out and apologise?

I thought not.

The problem is on here at times that just because somebody does not "toe the party line" or blindly come on here defending Bradford Bulls at all costs that they must be a "troll." Just because you do not agree with something does not make it incorrect.

This club have been run by a collection of shysters for years now. We have blundered on from one disaster to another and, I believe, if it was not a club as big as Bradford then the plug would have been pulled quite some time ago. We have had more than enough time to get out of this mess and we have been unable to do so. It really is nobody else to blame than the club themselves.

We have people like Duffy, who has sat, shoulder to shoulder with these people for years, force feeding half-truths and nonsense for so long. Pulling the wool over the eyes of many of you time and time again. He, as much as anyone else, must take some sort of accountability.

It is easy to put the blame on the RFL, and whilst I accept that they do also have a certain case to answer, I believe that we would get a great deal more sympathy from afield if more on here could at least accept that the reason the RFL were force to take any action in the first place was due to the mismanagement of the club in the first place. There really is nobody else to blame.

Even back in the "good old days" when we had massive crowds and were winning things then we were not content with that. Maybe we were punching above our weight and yet there was still the need for greed as we cheated the cap to continue the success.

I cannot remember too many people on here complaining about the trophies we won, fundamentally by cheating.

I have said for some time that all I want is a well-run club, that I could be proud of. We have not had one for a long long time now. The broom should have been brought in long before this.

I know that this will be held by many in complete and utter derision but I am used to that on here now. Some people just cannot take the criticism and the truth. If these people had not been sucked in for years by utter crap from within the club spouted by people such as Hood, Medley and OK then perhaps we would not be in as big a mess as were are at the moment.

Stop playing the victim card and face the responsibilities. We are where we are due to years of mis-management and neglect from above, caused by people only wanting to fuel their own egos.

Now the damage is done. It may be time to lock the doors of Odsal, but sadly the horse bolted many years ago.

So if the RFL had done the right thing you would have been placed in special measures in 2011 and have been placed in the Championship after that round of licensing.

They have bent over backwards to preserve your SL status, that has been their mistake, I'm not saying they have always done the right thing since then as the situation snowballed but in reality the kindest action would have been to fail you in 2011. Oh how you would have squealed.

Take this on the chin, and rebuild wherever that may be.

When you have a squad like LONDONS and are not announcing improved and extended contracts ala Gale then your first point may be true. At the minute it is not

The statement was about [ubackroom[/u staff. Reponding to a specific, and incorrect, assertion about [ubackroom[/u staff by the person to whom I was replying.

Can't you read?

Mate, I know you're upset but you don't half come across badly sometimes.

You're not the only person with a brain.

When we have a squad like London's the facts about the extent to which backroom staff have been thinned out or not will be fundamentally unchanged.

I don't think I am coming across half as badly as all those who are queueing up on here to delight in our misfortune.

What DG said was wrong. I responded. I am sick of trying to be nice and polite with some people, because all too often now it is one-way traffic.

Whether it was right or wrong i dont know as no one really knows. Did OK offer it Did the RFL demand it. Was it a condition so that the BUls would not be deducted points when OK took over. Was it a criteria to keep a bankrupt company in SL was it designed to get the Bulls back on a reasonable footing by saying stop spending more money than you have got. Was it to cover possible losses the RFL were worried about. NO ONE knows. Although i am sure FA will tell us he does and that it is all the RFLs fault.



The only thing the RFL should not have done was share it out to other clubs. That i do not understand

No, it's not ALL their fault but they are certainly partly responsible and much more so than Mark Moore and the other directors.