Surely thats the point :- THERE WAS NO TACKLE

ENALTY TO BRADFORD:WE WIN. :

Gansongate. Not only unfair but funny too

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Good idea!

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Honestly I cannot see Wakey having a leg to stand on. It's a statement their chairman made in a fans forum. No official releases of statements anywhere to be seen.

Interestingly I wonder f their wrote a letter when they were awarded a license in 2011. No?

I wonder if fax or Fev are planning on writing an open letter considering Wakefields license was them PROMISING work on their stadium. That stadium that is now unfit for purpose and reduced to 5k

Unless it's true, of course. The two parties, i.e., the Wakefield chairman and the RFL, know what was said or not said. The RFL can either:
1. Say Michael Carter is wrong and it was never said (or at least was misconstrued)
2. Say it was true but there are valid reasons why the Bradford situation is different
3. Say nothing

Nothing wrong with seeking clarification, particularly as both situations arose in the same close-season. One of the problems with situations like this is that opinions are formed when there is a vacuum of information, and the internet means that opinions are formed pretty quickly. Not helped, of course, by strange press releases which are hastily withdrawn, particularly when the precedent for points deductions is that paying off creditors are reduced rather than removed.

But, wind-up merchants aside - why should they? They have no need at all to provide responses to trolls and the mock-horrified, and everyone knows the valid reasons, they don't need a word of explanation

100% and hopefully the open letter will clear things up. I would just be surprised if it all took place over a phone conversation. Surely they would be some record of the meetings/discussions?

However even if it was verbally discussed with no record and it did happen but no "record" of it, I can't see the RFL denying it, otherwise they will be calling another chairman a liar when they know that be is telling the truth. Despite some thinking the RFL are corrupt there's no way they would blatently lie and call another chairman a liar.

Ether way lets get this cleared up!

They don't, I guess, except if there are complaints from their paying customers, they may feel obliged to point out the differences. Remember, fans of other clubs are also customers of the RFL. We buy their product as well.

There may be good and understandable reasons why the two situations are different. Some people won't accept them, but a lot of people will, and I can't see how silence is a preferable option. Why would they stay silent? If there is a difference, fine, I've no problem with that, and I'm not even suggesting demotion.

On that, we agree.

If there are confidential circumstances pertinent to either case - as I would expect that there inevitably will be - then the RFL will hardly be able to respond even if they were minded to. But doubtless anyone asking the RFL should already appreciate that, so I would have to wonder what they expected to achieve by asking?

Everyone is getting jumpy at whether points are deducted when all should be delighted that Bulls are even still in existence.

The Winding Up petition presented by HMRC on 16.1.2014 was clearly the change that required the action taken.
I am reliably informed Bulls owe £600k not the wild off the mark £60k which on regular reported monthly wage bill figures quoted by both Gargoyle and the T & A to be about £200 to £220k a month.
If that includes employers Nic a figure of £60 grand a month must have been owing to HMRC.
Which has not been paid in many months as the club struggled to pay even its players towards the end of season.
This is not good and is as clear a demonstration as anyone should need that OK Bulls Ltd were trading insolvently over in all probability all the past 15 months.
Those are certainly the noises I here coming out of the place from informed sources.
The fact we have a former member of HM Government acting as a director in OK Bulls ltd where the Crown stand to lose such a vast sum if the new board and company fail to take that creditor forward with them would indeed be truly shocking.
But who cares if the counties bankrupt and as long as no points are deducted.
Money that helps maintain public services....few on here it would appear.

As if that's not bad enough the £200k loan from Bradford Council was similarly charged by way of Debenture on the Assets of OK Bulls Ltd.
Has the local taxpayer been shafted in favour of the Marc Green.

I do not wear all the Green loan came after Ok left.There is a corporate history of Whitcut acting as Stooge on behalf of OK.See Lister Mansion Hotel and many other corporate failures where the common thread has been liquidation or insolvency before any accounts are presented.

The whole affair looks as if it may be able to finally (from September nearly 5 months on)moved across.

My worry is the RFL whilst they will obviously do all they can to preserve a prestigious and historically important member will view the shennanigans as a bridge too far.The entire episode from them first granting them a three year license in October 2011 to having to take the ground just 3 months later ,to fans and others raising 500k just 3 months after that,to debts wiped approaching £2 million by August 2012, to debt free but £1.2 million debt just 15 months on at November 2013 with the national and local taxpayer shafted throughout this 2 and a half years and say

Enough is enough this is shambles we have heard it all before and it brings not only the game into disrepute but the RFL standing with government aswell.
Sutcliffe sat as parliamentary man with others on the select committee for the game at Westminster.
I fear the decision as to punishment of the Bulls will be dealt with over a cup of tea at a much higher level than Red Hall.
It is my opinion that Sutcliffe has no place to go and no place to hide.
Which is why adey is so correct.
It almost as if he does not want to admit (by speaking)that it was anything to do with him.
I can advise the fans that forces are at work as we speak that will ensure he is taken to account for what has happened.
He knew what the players contracts wee than had to be taken on from the administrater.He knew the level of income required not to build up such a debt.You either cut costs (as the new lot have declared to) or you find the income.He did neither.
Nor Khan nor Whitcut.
Indeed they added to the woe with loss making (£100k the 80"s pop concert and it only got a safety certificate to allow it to go ahead an hour prior...great management that eh)non Rugby events.
It can only be hoped that they survive.
We are hearing more of the same.Now the debt is reduced no player sales.Still at least one on £100k.The other 2 taken from Gargoyle now thankfully off the budget and payroll.

What worries me is all my professional associates can find no company associated with these new 3.
Are we in for more of the same with the ring fenced talk of players.

And what also worries is have the Bradford public simply had enough and can stomach no more.You would have expected more than 2000 there yesterday to back the new board if people truly believed and Belonged.

They say January is the month all the divorce proceedings start.
I hope these 3 Amigos and robbie have solid as a rock marriages.
Cos you can bet your bottom dollar they wont be by next January.
Its been an interesting winter.
I think there are many more .."twists in the tail" to come.
The Eleventh Earl of Mars may even make a comeback.

Lets hope Big Nigel pulls another White Rabbitt out of the bag again.

And makes sense out of a lot of nonsense.
That I'm struggling to find moral compass with.

Reach for Lord Denning and how the man on the Clapham omnibus would view things.
And they are not passionate red amber and black blooded vein people.
Indeed they are rarely Rugby people at all.

The circus has been a farce.Conducted without dignity.
That may well prove to be more significant than who took the step for quick in and out of admin Adey.
I think that will prove largely irrelavent when there is also a local taxpayer debenture holder Bradford Council funnily enough secured through a man called Green.
Twist in the Tail.

I'm guessing you are regular contributor on these pages but deemed it necessary to create a new profile, why do this?

No First post Ever.I"m the man on the Clapham Omnibus.Everyone else is letting emotion cloud clear thought.I Am a Bradford Lad who follows ALL sport and find the entire episode disturbing.I remain optimistic if Bullbuilder and Adey are involved.there I see good men not in it for the power and gloryxx

Migrated from the T&A - No Arm, No leg if you know what I mean

Just look at the difference in the supporters input into Wakefield compared to Bulls! Did any other supporters write to RFL to knock another club? Far from it many offered support to other clubs inc Wakefield during recent and past financial issues ie previous CVA's etc etc.

Bulls supporters raised £400 -500k to help the club, raised money to keep the club going, Wakefield fans did ????

Big difference IMO in supporter base letter proves it. Comes from fear for their own club nothing else

“This should be within the next fortnight. The board’s view has always been that if creditors are let down in any way, shape or form then that becomes a very tangible and obvious breach of the insolvency policy.

“If they are not let down, that supports an argument to avoid a sanction but we will wait to receive all the information we require first.”

Nigel Wood making it clear(ish) the reasons penalties are given for. I do like the phrase "let down" as it's pretty flexible in what it could mean.



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Wakefield fans were asked to raise £500,000 at the end of the Ted Richardson era, and rather than blindly raising it asked questions instead. The main question was "will this be it?' People were asked to put in a £1,000 each, hoping there would be 500 fans willing. I was one of the willing ones, and I know some of the others, but we asked whether we were merely postponing the inevitable.

You raised it, and for that well done. It turned out you were merely postponing the inevitable.

It's not about fear for own club. It's about the perception that clubs are not treated equally.

I do wish people would stop trotting out this sort of misinformation. The fact is most contributors to the fund (and huge amounts of money came from people other than the fan base) did so simply because without the money the club would have been finished. Folded. Gone. Raising the money very simply kept the club alive.

Also neither we, nor you, were to know that at the point of achieving the figure, suddenly the rug was to be pulled by Chris Caisley. This had not been predicted and could not have been predicted. You don't know what would have happened had he not stepped in, nobody does and nobody ever will, but we postponed nothing, we saved our club.


Yeah, right. So that is why all the crap is on the Bulls board, and not in earnest letters to those who you SAY are the ones upsetting you, namely the RFL. It's like your dad gives your sister more pocket money than you; don't scream and shout "it's not fair, it's not fair" at your sister - go and talk to your feckin dad.

Firstly, this is a discussion forum. Hence, things get discussed pertinent to the forum concerned, in this case the Bulls.

Secondly, if you have seen the letter from the Supporters Trust sent to the RFL and the media outlets, you will see that this has been done. I posted a link earlier in this thread.

Clarification may kill the issue.

So you feel you were shat on, so you want all clubs in difficult situations to be shat on? How typically Wakefield.

My thoughts exactly

No, treated equally.

And we weren't treated badly, if you don't mind me paraphrasing your Cas-speak. In fact, the letter to the RFL is supportive of the RFL position on insolvency. The letter seeks clarification, nothing more.

Clarification has such a fine record of killing issues in RL so I can easily see why you might think that's how things will pan out.

No we believe in treating all teams equally, Bradford appear to want preferential treatment. How typically Bradford.