Presumably in your world the penalty for driving without due care and attention is 9 points? The fact that in real life the incident is objectively assessed and you may get anything between 3 and 9 points, or even no points at all, must really mess with your head. Everything is so black and white isn't it.

What is the penalty for posting on an internet forum without due care and attention?

As an outsider looking in (if its possible to see in through the murk and confusion) and trying to put aside the minute details (if that is possible).
At some point, hopefully before the season kicks off, the RFL will make some kind of decision about dealing with the situation.
What would be seen as fair by the Bulls supporters?
1. Expulsion from the league - that is what Wakey were threated would be the consequence of admin, the company owning the bulls went into admin prior to the takeover.
2. A 6 point deduction lowering to 4 if evidence of creditors being paid up is given.
3. A 4 point deduction.
4. No points deducted, as you have done nothing wrong.
Whatever the outcome this is another sorry day for the leadership of our game, our game and your club.
Before anyone suggests I'm crowing - as a supporter of Wakefield, we have little to crow about as we have been let down and been a let down to the game ourselves.
I think the devil is in the detail though on this one, so i guess it might all come down to the detail in the end.

The devil is in the detail there lies the problem. I've no idea if all the facts will ever come out so I've no idea what penalty if any the RFL might give or whether it's warranted or not.

We can speculate till the cows come home but at the end of the day we'll have to all accept the RFL's decision as we're unlikely to be privvy to the info that they have. As a result I've no idea what should happen to us or whether it's fair.

Obviously I hope for my club's sake it's nothing too bad but if we're deserving of a serious punishment then so be it. I do find the fact that followers of other clubs seem to be so much better informed and able to make such black and white judgements pretty funny though.

I can't speak for everyone but personally I can talk sense with normals such as yourself until the cows come home. Its rabid "Bradford should get 6 points" probably with "end of" tagged on as if to emphasize the biggotry that really get on my moobs.

I'll be perfectly honest I have severe doubts that your point 1 ever happened. Tricky this because I'm not accusing anyone of being dishonest. It feels like an understandable exaggeration made to you poor Wakey fans wondering what the hell is going on, and said in a bid to reinforce how close you came to oblivion. Perhaps a bit of white charger in there?

We can't really know what happened because the RFL are hardly like to call him out and say "er we said nothing of the sort" and nor is he going to say "Yeah I exaggerated a little bit but it seemed plausible at the time".

How about a brand new option of a 4 point deduction and full Sky money. Still up against it but not totally screwed over?

Christ Adey when I think about the web-toed people on these forums slapping the keyboard with their trotters wondering why their uncle is simultaneously their dad, it is clear that there is no penalty at all.

An I seen them moobies jiggling

The tassles have paid for themselves already.

Probably an age thing in my case but I was under the impression that you suffered penalties on the internet [ifor[/i posting with due care and attention?

Hopefully technology will advance to the stage that if you say something on line which would have got you punched in the ancient "real world" then delicate parts of the anatomy will receive a shock from an I-pain unit.

The lack of clarity and perception of un-fairness felt by many wakefield fans that are the main problems here.
I've seen the winding up petition dated the 16th of Jan 10:30 am against OK Bulls, i am also led to believe that the OK Bulls went into admin before the takeover by the new owners. On paper at least that look fairly obvious to me where the blame lies and that the RFL have rules in place to deal with that. I have asked our chairman to clarify what was told to us in relation to our problems earlier on and as yet i have had no feedback.
The problem with this, and with various other issues that have occured in recent years is that the RFL appear to act in a very cloak and dagger manner and this causes confusion and mistrust.
Where there is a info vaccuum, people make up what they want - but in some cases that is based on what is fairly obvious - but amid all the murk and confusion it all fades into one big pile of blurge!!!
I know what i can see, i don't know how accurate a reflection of what actually happened it is though, but i am left feeling uneasy not only by (and about) the RFL, but also how much of a fair game we are actually playing here.
I have a well used saying when anything about the leaders of our game comes to the surface and its based on years of feeling like a second class supporter of a second class club, but... "i am not paranoid BUT where the rfl are concerned, i do go and check that there isn't anyone hiding in the bushes at the bottom of the garden".

Funnily enough, I'm just about to launch the next big thing in social media. Provisionally called "i-Kickinthenads", I see it filling a huge need in the market. I can easily see it being at least as big as FB or Twitter, and MUCH more fun...

Who knows with the RFL? After all we are the only ones who got the six points and half Sky money. Wakefield didn't get that did they? There does not seem to be a hard and fast rule does there?

So if we were to get a points deduction, that plus half sky money for the second year running would, I suggest be the same as option 1 in the long run. But will save the RFL the trouble of having to sort a league with one team down. And will help save London. So all good.

I dont' think its the same as option 1, but time will tell i guess.
The main problem is as you also point out, there are no hard and fast rules where the rfl are concerned, one fudge leads into another, and then into another.
They seem to be doing a wonderful job of demoralising and segregating the supporters of certain clubs.

Why blame the RFL, its the owners of Wakefield and Bradford who have run the clubs in such a poor way that has caused all the problems. All the RFL has done is help both Wakefield and Bradford

...and other clubs.

But yes, what he said.

If all trade creditors inc hmrc are paid or others come to an arrangement on similar terms eg Bradford Council then a minimum points deduction would seem to be fair, ignoring hearsay about relegation. why ignore whatever Green and OK are still "owed"? Well Green put the rest of the creditors at risk to secure the payout he has received, OK was prepared to write his £900k down to a fraction in the price agreed with Moore and Whitcut, and is pursuing payment for that in a private action against them, not the club. So it hardly seems fair for the RFL to insist that he privately gets paid by them and also to be paid for the £900k he did not want back. Because if they do insist on that, then to ensure equality of financial treatment, theres going to be a lot of clubs paying substantial amounts back to current and ex owners that they didnt want back. End of sugar daddies and superleague.

Many of you may believe that there are parallel universes. An infinite number. So, whatever can happen WILL happen in at least one of these universes.

As I, of course, do not have any information from anyone, I thought it would be fun to speculate about one particular possible parallel universe where:
* Bradford Bulls WILL certainly play in SL2014
* the SL licence will be transferred to the new owners
* There will be zero points deduction
* the newly stabilised situation will encourage green shoots of new co-owners joining the present incumbents

I hope it happens to be the universe I live in. Long shot, but you never know.

All will be revealed on Friday. Then we can all just concentrate on the rugby at last.

The RFL are a joke & a disgrace. The WC was an unmitigated disaster. No SL sponsorship. No TV deal. Hetherington should resign now.

I doubt that will be the end of it! The RFL might well have made a decision but I'd be amazed if everyone on here was satisfied with it. In fact I'd say the chances are billions to one

Tigs has summarised it pretty well.

I just revealed it. But if you want another revelation then once the above is revealed then far from just concentrating on the rugby, we are doomed to another veritable Niagara of vitriol, venom, trolling and general denouncement.

I just hope I am available to mod when it comes out or poor Pumpetypump will develop RSI in his banning finger.

Anybody supporting RL will know that it is not fair.The Withers fingertips in the GF was unfair, the Joynt voluntary tackle was unfair, Huddersfield not being relegated for several years because they has a good ground was unfair, Gateshead getting the shaft and their team and money being given to Hull was unfair. In the current situation whatever happens will be seen as unfair to one group or another. All I can say is stop whingeing on here and go complain to the RFL.

Seriously the Withers finger and Joynt non-voluntary tackle.

You are lumping those old chestnuts in with this.


Who says RL fans have no axe to grind.

But if we want to discuss the tackle on Joynt..............