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| Quote ="Adeybull"Indeed it is. Especially going back as far as the signing of a certain pseudo-Welshman.
In fairness though, for perhaps the wrong reasons those (and I was not one of them) who were critical of Scully's signing have been proved right so they cannot be accused of hindsight. And likewise, although I was pleased with Reardon's signing most were not, and - for whatever reason - they have been proved largely right so far. So again, its not all hindsight. I guess in the end its a leap of faith in signing any player - look at the disaster that was Shaun Edwards for a much older example of that?'"
True enough, Adey! I guess when you get every shade of opinion (what!, on 'ere?) one is bound to be right. It's strange though, or maybe not, that when you have responsibility for making the decision there is often a tendency to give more weight to the conservative option.
On the subject of Shaun Edwards, I always had a lot of respect for the guy. He came to them Bulls and, for whatever reason, certain elements within the team clearly weren't playing with him and he seemed to be given the cold shoulder by others in the squad. There were a number of incidents when the ball wasn't passed to him when he had backed up, and the tries were spurned.
For all this, when he left, he never bad mouthed the club, or moaned in any way, shape or form. Respect!
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| Absolutely!
Remember that blatant one at Odsal, think it was Calland running for the line at the pits (as then was) end with traffic in front and Edwards in the clear to his right with the line begging? And he refused to pass? Inexcusable.
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| Quote ="Block5Bull"
All of which is pretty much what we've got this season plus Meli and Elima and although it is a decent starting 13 I still don't see it as being quite what it could be, and if the mark of a top team is its bench then that is definitely not a top team. Personally I reckon that losing Menzies, painful though it is, is the best move for the long term for pretty much the reasons stated by Mat earlier, and although I agree that Menzies may be the best centre at the club that doesn't make him the best we could get. A centre and a 6 are the priorities for mine.
This would be my stab:
Kearney
Finnigan (if we think he's the one for the future then back him)
Platt
New 4
Meli
New 6
Orford
Scruton
L'Estrange
Lynch
Whitehead
Donaldson
Langley
Godwin / Addy (looks like could be a decent hooker to me)
Paleaasina
Elima
Sykes
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Addy
Kopczak
Crossley
Olbison
Halley
Hall (if we can't get rid)
Burgess G'"
Sykes & Hall won't just be squad players, they'll be in the 17 if fit.
I'd prefer more experience in the back row too, Donaldson on the bench with Elima in would be my preferred choice.
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| May be right that Menzies is leaving. Heard 2 rumours today, both about centres from overseas. Could be complete nonsense, but there's no smoke without fire.
Junior Sau is one - would be a great signing imo.
Joel Reddy is the other - can't say i've heard or seen anything of him.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Pity we can't buy hindsight.'"
Why can't we? Is he going to Warrington? ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Adeybull"
Hindsight is wonderful, is it not?'"
Indeed it is. And given that view, to have no comments because it is retrospective would negate the need for a message board.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Sykes & Hall won't just be squad players, they'll be in the 17 if fit.
I'd prefer more experience in the back row too, Donaldson on the bench with Elima in would be my preferred choice.'"
Sykes wouldn't be a squad player for me though, he'd be a utility player from the bench able to cover most of the back line while not being 1st choice anywhere.
And you might be right about Hall but it would be on reputation rather than the form of this season.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Indeed it is. And given that view, to have no comments because it is retrospective would negate the need for a message board.'"
Did anyone say there should be no comments because of hindsight?
What HAS been said many times is that using hindsight to justify a different course of action to that taken is hardly constructive when we are where we are.
But you know that anyway, so what point your comment?
Isn't this pìssing contest all getting a bit silly now?
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Indeed it is. And given that view, to have no comments because it is retrospective would negate the need for a message board.'"
No. Retrospective comments geared towards how to improve in future are completely different to your comment re Morrison which is merely narrative. Equally we shouldn't have signed Harris, kept Macca after he got the England job, or left Odsal in 2002. All of these help to tell the bulls story but aren't relevant to moving the club, or even the debate, forward today.
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| Quote ="Block5Bull"No. Retrospective comments geared towards how to improve in future are completely different to your comment re Morrison which is merely narrative. Equally we shouldn't have signed Harris, kept Macca after he got the England job, or left Odsal in 2002. All of these help to tell the bulls story but aren't relevant to moving the club, or even the debate, forward today.'"
Which makes it all the more strange that you ignored the middle two lines of my post.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Which makes it all the more strange that you ignored the middle two lines of my post.'"
I was responding in isolation to your later comment about there being no purpose to a message board without hindsight.
Your original post was fair and balanced, particularly in the context of what I've gone on to say. Apologies.
I should say though that you do seem to be a very angry person.
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| Quote ="Block5Bull"icon_surprised.gifops:
I was responding in isolation to your later comment about there being no purpose to a message board without hindsight.
Your original post was fair and balanced, particularly in the context of what I've gone on to say. Apologies.
I should say though that you do seem to be a very angry person.'"
Ummm, nope. Au contraire. The written word emanates different interpreted emotions to each reader.
That is all. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Ummm, nope. Au contraire. The written word emanates different interpreted emotions to each reader.
That is all.
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OK.
If we're going to get all flowery on the language though, I'm not sure that a word can have an emotion emanate from it. The emotion is intrinsically a resultant aspect of the interpretation of the reader but that is not to say that it in any way originates from the word itself. In fact you seem to be saying that the emotion is both a necessary and also contingent property of the word which is, frankly, metaphysical nonsense.
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| Quote ="Block5Bull"OK.
If we're going to get all flowery on the language though, I'm not sure that a word can have an emotion emanate from it. The emotion is intrinsically a resultant aspect of the interpretation of the reader but that is not to say that it in any way originates from the word itself. In fact you seem to be saying that the emotion is both a necessary and also contingent property of the word which is, frankly, metaphysical nonsense.'"
Bo**ox
Thats one of the best come backs i've ever seen on here, well done that man! or women ![Mr. Green icon_mrgreen.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_mrgreen.gif)
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| He's a fella, or was last time I saw him! And thank God he doesn't talk like that at Bullbuilder meetings! I know not to take him on in a debate now!
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| Quote ="Block5Bull"OK.
If we're going to get all flowery on the language though, I'm not sure that a word can have an emotion emanate from it..'"
And yet you suggested I seem "angry"?
What a brilliantly contradictory post. Congratulations.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"And yet you suggested I seem "angry"?
What a brilliantly contradictory post. Congratulations.'"
I guess the lesson is that the particular words you use give out more than just a straight forward meaning. I'd suggest that you use more normal day to day language to get your points across unless you want to cloud people's judgement of what you're trying to say.
Incidentally, I'm not picking a fight here and have no desire to fall out with anyone on the board.
And yes, I'm a man! ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| you can have fielden back ..
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| Quote ="loyal18"you can have fielden back ..'"
Cool, that would be good.
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| Fielden would improve the squad depth, no doubt.
Think Junior Sa'u is under contract for another year, unfortunately. He'd be a superb signing.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"And thank God he doesn't talk like that at Bullbuilder meetings!'"
If he did, he'd have to re-phrase for the dunce taking the minutes to understand ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Kearney
Halley
Platt/Sykes
Menzies
Reardon/Meli
Sykes/New 6
Orford
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Scruton
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Whitehead
Langley
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=#FF0000Paleaasina
Kopzcak
Hall
I'd be very happy with that line-up. I hope Potter lets Whitehead start in the second row next season, he deserves it after the season he's had.'"
He's been rumored to be coming to Salford next year on the Wigan borad?
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"He's been rumored to be coming to Salford next year on the Wigan borad?'"
You'd be more than welcome.
We already have one 17 minute foreign blower in the team.
Having two however might just get one half of rugby from them.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"You'd be more than welcome.
We already have one 17 minute foreign blower in the team.
Having two however might just get one half of rugby from them.'"
Alot of our fans don't want him here either? can't last 30 mins never mind a game.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"You'd be more than welcome.
We already have one 17 minute foreign blower in the team.
Having two however might just get one half of rugby from them.'"
At the risk of angering you, he appears to have lost a bit of timber and in the last Wigan game I saw I think he comfortably did about 60. Not bad for impact player
Admitedly you couldn't have both him and Hall but let's see what Sept 1 brings
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