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| Quote ="Bullseye"It's not unlikely there is a "training issue" with a member of staff.'"
There's certainly one within the media department.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark""Poor running"? Have we gone tits again, then? Or are we, despite being relegated, still somehow going with a (comparative) quality squad the coming season?
Yes there is a lot of adverse comment but to call it "negativity" is unfair. People are saying what they see, and that's after several years of taking it regularly up the sunshineless and STILL being here. You should be applauding them still being here rather than cribbing. Expressing concerns? Why would a fan of a club that has nosedived and gone bust about 99 years out of the last hundred have any concerns? Surely, we should all be whistling along with a skip and a jump, alls well at the bulls in the Bottom league, nothing to see here/
If ANYONE deserves to say what they see, then , of all people, it must be the Bulls remaining faithful. If that broad church includes many who have a somewhat jaundiced and suspicious and even cynical angle on the ongoing debacles, then I'd say they have every right.
Of these, we have had more taking up the RAB sponsorship than for many years. We have people buying big price season tickets, only to watch the likes of West Wales, Hemel Stags and Keighley, where not long ago it was Wigan, Saints and Leeds (I bought mine last weekend). At the same time, we know financially things can't be that great, despite the refreshing lack of public disgrace, and if people are worried and see stuff they think is wrong then they have every right to speak up. if some of that is negative, might that not be because we've been force fed a diet of boiled negatives, steamed negatives, pickled negatives and fried negatives for so long by so many owners and our good friends the RFL?'"
Well put sir
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| I thought the thread was about the RFL. Haven't even got a sponsor for our league!!!
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark""Poor running"? Have we gone tits again, then? Or are we, despite being relegated, still somehow going with a (comparative) quality squad the coming season?
Yes there is a lot of adverse comment but to call it "negativity" is unfair. People are saying what they see, and that's after several years of taking it regularly up the sunshineless and STILL being here. You should be applauding them still being here rather than cribbing. Expressing concerns? Why would a fan of a club that has nosedived and gone bust about 99 years out of the last hundred have any concerns? Surely, we should all be whistling along with a skip and a jump, alls well at the bulls in the Bottom league, nothing to see here/
If ANYONE deserves to say what they see, then , of all people, it must be the Bulls remaining faithful. If that broad church includes many who have a somewhat jaundiced and suspicious and even cynical angle on the ongoing debacles, then I'd say they have every right.
Of these, we have had more taking up the RAB sponsorship than for many years. We have people buying big price season tickets, only to watch the likes of West Wales, Hemel Stags and Keighley, where not long ago it was Wigan, Saints and Leeds (I bought mine last weekend). At the same time, we know financially things can't be that great, despite the refreshing lack of public disgrace, and if people are worried and see stuff they think is wrong then they have every right to speak up. if some of that is negative, might that not be because we've been force fed a diet of boiled negatives, steamed negatives, pickled negatives and fried negatives for so long by so many owners and our good friends the RFL?'"
FA, good evening How are you?
Good post, matey. Good points well made. But Bongser's (yes, the lunatic (or one of the lunatic) Leigh third person people is back again) back again.
RL is not RL without BRADFORD. Bongser doesn't give a monkey's about the Bull branding, nor does he give a monkey's about your halcyon days. However he does care about an M62 belt city club with a busier (Carlsberg-esque) board than any other (probably), with a continuing (if sometimes disgruntled) fan-base.
And (never start a sentence with "And"icon_wink.gif he thanks Senor Aardvark for teaching him the word "Sunshineless".
Were there only time enough to organise a sponsored plagiaristic orgy tomorrow (oops! today (Bongser is a slow typist), you'd be able to sponsor another three players. Bongser will slip it in as many times as possible - but then that has always been his problem.
Again, all the best for next year.
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"Poor running,
Letting half last year's squad walk that could be retained. .chistole been the most ridiculous example.
visa gate
away shirt gate
poor communication
Damaging poor press releases
not having a coach lined up when pre season has started
Not having the new coach pick their own squad as it's too late
inviting rimmed to a fans forum
Making date announcements at said forum but letting said dates pass with no news..
I'm not been overly negative here
my point been that if I were Chalow there are two senior management staff members that have been involved in catastrophic failure in the past.. why would you have them anywhere near the place?
To top it off one has just arrived back in from the crash at Salford...
I would like to see this regime be a success more than anyone trust me and I hope they are I'm just surprised some manage to keep their position unquestionably'"
Thanks for the response bowlingboy. True, you are not being overly negative. To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered [ucontinued[/u poor running. So the rest of your points:
Poor communication. was it ever thus? When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights (hyphenation courtesy of FA) to play? If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.
Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts. So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.
Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.
Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.
Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.
Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?
the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.
Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.
My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.
And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,
FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...
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Quote ="martinwildbull"Thanks for the response bowlingboy. '"
Very polite.
Quote True, you are not being overly negative. '"
Indeed, he isn't.
Quote To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered [ucontinued[/u poor running.'"
Indeed.
Quote So the rest of your points:
Poor communication. was it ever thus?'"
'Twas, 'twas.
Quote When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights '"
Tad verbose, but not innacurate
Quote (hyphenation courtesy of FA)'"
I - if I'm honest - which is predominantly the case (although on occasions I might just be - as they say - pulling your leg) - lament the gradual elimination of the poor, misunderstood hyphen from our language. It's hyphenethnic cleansing - if you ask me. Which - again, if I'm honest - few would, to be fair.
Quote to play? '"
... or not to play? That is the question.
Quote If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.'"
It was actually just a single question, but I'm nit picking.
Quote Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts.'"
Hey, I personally know some of those old farts, they're not all quite as bad as they seem.
Quote So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.'"
This bit doesn't make sense. Needs re-working.
Quote Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.'"
Getting bored now. Sory can't be arrsed to check how long this is making the quotes. You'll have to take your chance.
Quote Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.'"
To many et ceterae. A single etc. is all you need, as there can be no plural of all the rests,"cetera" encompassing the totality of other things there may be, and thus giving subsequent et ceteras nothing to do.
Quote Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.
'"
"Rimmed"! Love it - even if accidental - though I hope you don't speak from experience.
Quote Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?
'"
I don't think we were in SL.
Quote the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.'"
Indeed.
Quote Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that poop happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.'"
Sort of.
Quote My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as poop can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.'"
I agree some money simply must have been coming in from somewhere, indeed it seems blatantly obvious.
Quote And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,
FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...'"
Merry Christmas.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"Thanks for the response bowlingboy. True, you are not being overly negative. To be fair, your first three points on the list are history therefore cannot be considered [ucontinued[/u poor running. So the rest of your points:
Poor communication. was it ever thus? When it is going well, it is easy to communicate good news, indeed nothing, repeat nothing easier, you are surfing on the top of an overwhelming good-news sunami breaking wave. Same for when it is sort of going well but there nonetheless are concerns, although Chris's diatribe about not enough fans coughing up the readies is a case in counter-point. And we were supposedly doing well then. So when you start with nothing, have half your key players injured and the star you sign crocked after 60 minutes, yes that is difficult communication time. And please show me examples of clubs that announce they are going to lose the next game because they only have kids and make-squad-weights (hyphenation courtesy of FA) to play? If I am sounding a bit too critical I apologise, these are genuine questions, how would you do the PR in such a situation? Because if you have an answer, you have a job for life and not with the Bulls, with the best PR company in the world.
Damaging poor press releases. My take on this is what damage has been done other than to the blood pressure levels of a few OCD's on this forum? Are we bottom of championship 1 because of these PR's? Whether we like it or not, and note my T'witter name for Witter, social media is the future, not the past that this forum so clearly represents. With however apologies to a number of younger posters (eg BB11) who put up with this forum's old farts. So our media warrior with a spelling but not a grammar checker is fully the future, and no doubt inspiring those social media idiots to part with their pennies, unlike the old-life on this forum.
Not having a coach lined up. See my numerous previous posts essentially along the line of do we need to be practising our plays in October when first of all the team need to get fit courtesy of the new fitness team and then get the basics right such as catch a ball and make a tackle which is pretty generic training these days. Head coach teaching the U16's how to do a leg curl or squat? And Cha should have plan B, confirmed in the media that the current coaching team would supervise the first part of the preseason. Also Chalo have given the appointment timetable, which allows the new coach a couple of weeks with the squad and then assess their actual performance in a friendly a couple of months before the first competitive game.
Not having the coach selecting their own squad. Any organisation is run from the top, not the middle. Any good coach can take any squad and mould it to the top's requirements, and feed back to the top the failings of their choices, if they did not already know them but budget constraints dictated. Green did not know what it was all about, so could not provide that leadership (nor could his side-kicks but more of that later). Cha seems a bit more savvy, and will impose on the coach of his choice the squad of his, and Tooveys and etc etc etc choice.
Inviting Rimmed was sensible. From the horses mouth, Championship 1. Saves a lot of speculation and wasted hope. if I could have been there I would have taken the foulest smelling eggs to decorate him with for a wasted year purely for their convenience. Maybe if he gets invited again we will all know what to do.
Crash at Salford. more of a question of KC deciding he was not a sugar daddy, so our CEO or whatever was more a victim than a cause of the crash. where did Salford get to in superleague last season compared to us?
the other you refer to I presume is Duffy. He has been involved in spectacular success and failure in the past. Which indicates to me that it was those at the top not Duffy that caused the success or failure, per my previous comments that an organisation is lead from the top.
Making date announcements. I do not know the specifics, if you are up to it after this marathon please advise. All I can say in the meantime is that poop happens whatever the intentions. So credit to Cha for at least announcing the dates, how many owners would do that? But black marks for not acknowledging the dates have not been met, you do not have to give detailed reasons in such a situation.
My take on this admin is they have performed unseen and therefore unacknowledged miracles to get this far from their starting position, and all venom should be directed at the RFL for that starting position. But without counting chickens before they are hatched as poop can happen, if we are still around in five years time we may see last season as a turning point in the way the club is managed. Not by no-experience no-hopers, but by owners steeped in RL experience, and I suspect, a secret sugar daddy. The accounts when eventually released may shed some light on the last point, so I will update when they are available.
And that is it until we have a new coach and a few more of the balance of the squad in place,
FA can you quote-reply to this please so I can achieve my ambition of a full - page post from you, it is a very small handicap I have gifted you...'"
You are Andrew Chalmers and I claim my £5.
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Very polite.
Indeed, he isn't.
Indeed.
'Twas, 'twas.
Tad verbose, but not innacurate
I - if I'm honest - which is predominantly the case (although on occasions I might just be - as they say - pulling your leg) - lament the gradual elimination of the poor, misunderstood hyphen from our language. It's hyphenethnic cleansing - if you ask me. Which - again, if I'm honest - few would, to be fair.
... or not to play? That is the question.
It was actually just a single question, but I'm nit picking.
Hey, I personally know some of those old farts, they're not all quite as bad as they seem.
This bit doesn't make sense. Needs re-working.
Getting bored now. Sory can't be arrsed to check how long this is making the quotes. You'll have to take your chance.
To many et ceterae. A single etc. is all you need, as there can be no plural of all the rests,"cetera" encompassing the totality of other things there may be, and thus giving subsequent et ceteras nothing to do.
"Rimmed"! Love it - even if accidental - though I hope you don't speak from experience.
I don't think we were in SL.
Indeed.
Sort of.
I agree some money simply must have been coming in from somewhere, indeed it seems blatantly obvious.
Merry Christmas.'"
Love it
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"You are Andrew Chalmers and I claim my £5.'"
Far too many words for it to be him. I have Chalmers down as a "lurker" on here only
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Far too many words for it to be him. I have Chalmers down as a "lurker" on here only
'"
I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.
Which at the very least shows that (a) we care and (b) he cares too....
Unfortunately, this is the Bradford Bulls - all we have is Duffy acting as usual in an unprofessional manner - as Frank Whitcombe.
And worse than that - he gets a big say on the next coach - wonder if watching the game for years is the only qualification required to be a "football manager"..
We can all claim that then!
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| Quote ="Errol Stock"I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.
Which at the very least shows that (a) we care and (b) he cares too....
Unfortunately, this is the Bradford Bulls - all we have is Duffy acting as usual in an unprofessional manner - as Frank Whitcombe.
And worse than that - he gets a big say on the next coach - wonder if watching the game for years is the only qualification required to be a "football manager"..
We can all claim that then!'"
While Duffy and RHP are stealing salaries we are running in treacle, we need professional competent people in all positions from playing staff through to the chairmen, and imho these two have been involved to much in past failure to warrant a place at the top table.
On Rimmed it was a phone based typo, however Ralph Rimmed is what he shall be known as in my mind from now on!
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| Quote ="Errol Stock"I think it would be great if Chalmers actually joined the forum as Andrew Chalmers and interacted in a professional manner with regard to the issues we raise.
...'"
Trouble with soshul meeja is that if he was ever that unwise, he'd be trolled to extinction.
Unless somebody ever manages to invent a way of stopping every thread ever, rapidly descending into a puerile slanging match. Unless somebody has a worldwide supply of Rohypnol, and a means of compulsorily administering it prior to anyone accessing any form of social media, interacting in a professional manner ain't never gonna happen.
The world of social media is largely inhabited by the sort of twunts who used to only be able to troll radio phone ins, but who now regale the comments sections of newspapers and similar repositories of professional interaction, and revel in being able to direct bile straight to any possible target.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Who says Frank is Stuart Duffy on here? Nobody has ever shown me any proof.'"
I'm neither convinced he is or convinced he isn't. However every single Bulls forum I've seen over the years (and I've seen a few of them) has always had Duffy there somewhere posting away. Whenever he's been "found out", he tends to change names. If he's not Frank, I would put bloody good money on him being someone else on here. Maybe he's me. I'm off to look in the mirror to check.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I'm neither convinced he is or convinced he isn't. However every single Bulls forum I've seen over the years (and I've seen a few of them) has always had Duffy there somewhere posting away. Whenever he's been "found out", he tends to change names. If he's not Frank, I would put bloody good money on him being someone else on here. Maybe he's me. I'm off to look in the mirror to check.'"
He's really Mystic Eddie all that Duffy hate is just a distraction!
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| I doubt that Frank is Stuart Duffy's account. Anyone that remembers the official Bulls messageboard of yesteryear will remember Stuart's posting style. It's very "un-Frank" like.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I doubt that Frank is Stuart Duffy's account. Anyone that remembers the official Bulls messageboard of yesteryear will remember Stuart's posting style. It's very "un-Frank" like.'"
I tend to agree. I've spotted his style in other accounts before, but it never flagged on Frank. In fact, had it not been mentioned by a couple of posters, I don't think I'd have got to that conclusion myself on this one.
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| And so is my wife
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Who says Frank is Stuart Duffy on here? Nobody has ever shown me any proof.'"
The truth is out there.
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| Duffy will be loving this.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"Bowlingboy, can you please give a bit more detail of what you think is poor running of the club? It seems a strange comment a day or so after the club announce a structured managed process with a clear timetable to appoint a new coach, one that any HR manager in any organisation would recognise as good practice. What the press release does not refer to is the job and person specification, and I would expect Chalmers and Lowe had a big say in that as owners, giving the gang of three the criteria to use in selecting the shortlist. Nor does the phrase "a recommendation" limit that recommendation to one person, they may well say in early December that Chalmers needs to do final interviews on several coaches that met the criteria. Hence the time gap between making that recommendation and the appointment.
I think that getting from where they started to this point without going under shows superb management skills, forget relegation, I am simply happy there is a club to relegate. Let's see what this season brings not write it off a month before the first opportunity the new coach will have to assess where the squad is at. Which will be far ahead of where it was a year ago.'"
Very well said Martin.
When I read the initial article I had no doubt Chalmers will be fully involved but is letting a small team do the ground work.
We are bringing in new people who are experienced and building the lower teams.
I think everything is looking good regarding rebuilding the club steadily and on a much stronger foundation.
This is what we have been asking for over the last decade.
I accept Chalmers is not the most expressive person in the media but I just don't care if he builds the club properly and we can all be proud to be Bulls/Northern supporters again.
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| We can never get a clear run though, can we? Wonder how much time, expense and resource is being redirected at the Tribunal claim. Don't like to wonder what might happen if that goes tits, but sadly even if we are cleared, we'll still have inevitably spent a very sizeable sum on legals. Add the uncertainty and funding the lawyers whilst it all drags on and I'm not sure that there is likely to be much meat at all on the bones for what you might call club "building".
be 2018 as it may, the route for us - out of C1, consolidated in the Championship, eventually get to a state where you might think of playing in SL again - is a road that year on year is always going to lead to a substantial loss - IMHO of course - which will have to be funded from somewhere. When people say "building", do they really mean to suggest a situation where we become increasingly wealthy and turning profits? That is never going to be the case. To me, "building" is inevitably always going to = "somebody putting in loads of cash from somewhere".
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