Gale is a decent attacker but pants in defence, not unlike Kyle Briggs.

If we sign him it's more of the same I'm afraid.

Before the most recent SL round, Gale topped the list (for the whole of superleague) for errors and had the fifth highest number of missed tackles. Hardly a solution for a team currently bedevilled by... errors and missed tackles.

Like I said.

Is this Gale off Corrie? Seems a bit of a nutty rottweiler to me

She sounds like she would be a better bet.

Might add some much needed mongrel to the pack

Now here is the thing.

What Lord Beaver did to Jeffries was pretty well exactly the same as Reardon (IIRC?) did to Maguire that time at Sheddingley what now seems likes a lifetime ago, was it not? Cut him off from midfield, and with sufficent speed that he had more than enough momentum to bowl him over the line. Jeffries made the same mistake as Maguire, and tried to outrun the intercept down the touchline when - with hindsight - he should have come in to take the tackle (or even evade it).

That mistake did not suddenly make Maguire a crap player. It just reflected very well on Reardon. Same as Saturday did on the Beaver?

Elementary schoolboy error not to come inside and secure the ball on the 1st tackle. He was well covered, had no support and we had another 5 chances had he not decided to take such a dumb option.

Didn reardon just shoulder barge mguire into the stands as opposed to tackling him or am i thinking of someone else. Anyways back to the jeffries/menzies debte, if jeffo backed himself for pace why not kick ahead? i am pretty sure there was only them two nd then a straight footrace. Stand to be corrected though

correct, flattened the lad.



that would have involved a brain it would seem. although in the heat of the moment, it's hard to think quickly like that and when he saw menzies coming he did seem to slow slightly before having a go down the wing.

Wouldnt have caught Whithead if he'd have caught it.

I'd probably take Pryce over Ah Van as that quota spots are very valuable and I don't think Ah Van offers that much more than KP. I'm not Pryce's biggest fan, but its obvious the lad can score tries, we just need him to keep his effort levels up.

Gale - No thanks. Pish poor defence, and I've never been all that impressed with him.

So you're aware you were wrong then?

No. Wether Briggs was first reciever or not IMO Jeffries is better suited to a Scrum Half role when the ball is in play. Just my opinion...

Perhaps we ought to sign him . . . . then put him out to Quins to get some game time and improve

You might be right here. In Jeffries first spell at the club he played better at scrum half but when he moved to stand off he appeared to be less effective due to the speed he got the ball. With Briggs at 1st receiver he seemed to be getting enough time to do a bit more with the ball

Bulls need to go all out and get rangi chase before the rhinos do, would be as big a hit as when HP came.
Why do we continually look for a SH when we need a SO ? And none of this rubish " bust kearny can play there" bull kearny is a FB and we have been without a SO farrrrrrrrrrr too long !!!!

Can't argue with that point!!

Can't you?

How, precisely, would you propose we set about getting Chase?

How precisely would you find the funds to pay Cas for the remaining 2+ years of his contract?

How precisely would you persuade him to come here rather than to (say) Leeds (or the inevitable salary cap-less Wire) should you resolve the contract question? Should he even want to leave Cas?

The public needs to be told.

I believe Maguire didn't even see Reardon coming. I believe he was showing the dummy to someone then just got smashed. I am remember rightly he did have the option to throw to a support runner something BJ didn't ( though off an intercept that will pretty much always happen). Menzies offered him the outside and BJ took it. Part of me was glad he actually backed himself. A bigger part of me was calling him an idiot though.

Gale? No thanks.
K.Pryce? No thanks.

We need to sign a scrum half because we haven't got one. If you're saying we need to sign both SH and SO then I wouldn't disagree but alas Adey is probably right on Chase.

Steady on Mr Optimistic

Lets remember Cas have made a point recently about not having a large squad, so to help with this the bulls could offer a selection of players as compensation for the final 2 years of his contract.

If Chase also wanted to leave Cas (Not sure if this is the case), this would also be an intensive for them to do a deal.

I would be happy with the Bulls offering 3-4 fringe players as part of the deal (maybe Sykes, Briggs, Crossley and Crokes (just an example))

As for 'Why would he come to the Bulls' question - Money talks, plus the Bulls are a bigger team than Cas (recent form excluded) with a larger fan base and probably a club with larger potential.

Above is not a solution - just an idea of how a deal can be done - no doubt you will come back with another negative comment, the point I would try to make is, what's wrong with having ambition?? We have a good squad - we just need to bring in a bit of class!

Whilst I think it's a long shot I was surprised when we signed the likes of Newlove and Fox under the noses of much bigger clubs back in the early 90s. Perhaps all we need is to bring Peter Fox back to sweet talk Rangi

OK, at least you have reasoned it out rather than just assume there is some magic wand like too many do. And I take your point re players in exchange for a transfer fee. That COULD address the transfer fee issue. At risk of not sounding "optimistic" (you must be the first one EVER on here to suggest I am a fully paid-up member of the Negative Tendency, since I have usually been accused of being on the extreme reactionary wing of the Positive Tendency - but there you go...) I'm not sure that would be enough to secure a deal though. I wish it were otherwise.

If Bulls offered say four players for one, they would have to replace at least some of those players though (in some form). So you would have Chase's cost PLUS the cost of the replacement players. That would likely therefore move the cost from transfer fee to player costs. That said, ANY quality #7 would result in a BIG increase in player costs regardless.

If, of course, the "discarded" players chose to go, and contract terms could be agreed. Remember, e.g, Sykes has a long contract so he could just sit it out at Bulls if he chose. And if Cas were happy to take mere "fringe" players. their "thin" squad made a pretty good fist of it on Wednesday? The precedent might be when we believed we had signed Ellis from Wakey (till the dirty was done on us) and we offered Langley and Reardon in return. Today's equivilent might be Whitehead and Donaldson or Bateman or whatever? Would the fans be any happier with that than they were over Langley and Reardon (when the generality of the fans, and the head coach, went apoplectic...)?

Last time I looked, Cas were above us in the table. And came close to a shock result this week at the Piedome despite having 11 regulars sidelined. Bulls may have been a "bigger club" once, but you might struggle to argue that convincingly now. IMO they are in a similar situation to us, and therefore Chase would be swapping like for like.

Your suggestion implies Bulls have a lot more money than Cas, though? You say "money talks" - and too bloody right, it does. Exhibit A: Wire; Exhibit B: Hudds; Exhibit C: Pies; Exhibit D:... But sadly WE don't have that much of it. And we have a big old stadium soaking up a lot of it. Why would we be in a position to outbid the likes of Leeds (or Wire or Wigan or Stains or...) who seem to have access to a lot more funding (some doubtless from "unconnected" third parties) for his services? If Chase had a choice of Cas or Bulls, as long as Cas are secure with a franchise (and I suggest they are as secure as we are) then even then I suspect he would need a big financial inducement to move. But since he would have other "big" clubs, with a lot more funding than we have, chasing him then surely our offer would have to be VERY good? That is the key point I am making.

And if we DID manage to secure him, you risk it being for a package so high (relative to the other guys) that their reaction could be the inevitable "well you are so bloody good, YOU run the ball up every time then and YOU take the tackles..." - sort of thing?

I'n not being negative, just trying to be realistic. Go back to the Newlove deal: the history books record which club did much the better out of it. I suggest any deal to secure chase would be similar but in reverse in its consequences? I suspect our best bet will be trying to secure a #7 with big big potential who is not yet commanding a huge package, given the dearth of quality halves around. Not many candidates there. No-one would be happier than me if Herbert could demonstrate, consistently, that he is that man. I fear trying to buy in "a bit of class" in an established qulaity half might now be beyond us. Yet I agree, without some class in the halves we will probably languish in the lower reaches of the table until we get ejected in the 2014 franchising round. As you say, money talks.

Adey

Above posts makes good reading, some valid points.

I think, like most fans, we just want that bit off class and most teams in superleague are now announcing big signings for next year, yet we never seem to attract then same caliber of player.

I then think the thought of Chase coming to the bulls is more likely than and overseas signing as he is established and happy on this hemisphere. That said, im sure a number of clubs would be interested.

It's always worth remembering, stranger things have happened, remember when Michael Worrincey.....