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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Serious question - do you honestly think that Koukash will be at Salford for the long haul?'"
Honest answer is I haven't a clue.
He's a very wealthy bloke though, by just about anybody's standards so he can do pretty much what he wants. In fact, the first question I asked myself was, why did he choose rugby league? Why not soccer or union? There are far more kudos and headlines to be gained in both of those than RL and, as I said, he seems to have the money to do what he wants. I can only guess he is happy to be the 'big fish' in a relatively small pool and will buy his way to the top and then probably leave when he achieves his ambition or gets fed up - but who knows, I don't.
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| Why the hell are we losing half of our Sky money this season? we are 650k short, even more when its shared out between the rest of the clubs!
My understanding is that the "clubs" voted on it when deciding our fate but how did the RFL let it happen? as the governing body of the sport they are meant to veto decisions are they not?
Unless anyone can tell me other wise and enlighten me, its an f in disgrace.
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| Quote ="JUDGE666"Why the hell are we losing half of our Sky money this season? we are 650k short, even more when its shared out between the rest of the clubs!
My understanding is that the "clubs" voted on it when deciding our fate but how did the RFL let it happen? as the governing body of the sport they are meant to veto decisions are they not?
Unless anyone can tell me other wise and enlighten me, its an f in disgrace.'"
I don't know if or how a "vote" was taken but it was certainly the case, because it was widely reported, that the Bulls agreed to a deal whereby we got 50% money for 2 years and so that was (part of) the deals that were done. It was clearly one part of the price to be paid to get the SL licence, whoever was buying was not in a position of much choice, the choices being take it or leave it.
It is however my understanding that the decision to then distribute the resulting surplus between the clubs themselves was a separate thing altogether. When and how that deal was done, I don't know. The Bulls wouldn't have been a party to it, since they hadn't yet got the SL licence, so if there was any meeting of SL clubs to discuss this, it presumably follows that as a not-yet-member, the Bulls wouldn't have been in attendance. Presumably it must be recorded in some document or minute or something somewhere.
Couldn't agree more that the decision to divvy was and remains a disgrace, but even had they been aware of it, there was obviously nothing the Bulls could have done about it. IMHO it is a shame and a scandal that that money was not used towarsd creditors of the old Bulls, or, failing that, put to good use for the growth of the game in general, and I am disgusted that it was taken as a Brucie bonus by the remaining clubs. I don't know if the vote was unanimous, (assuming there was a vote) but it doesn't matter as anyone who voted against it has still taken the money so can't be that troubled by it.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I don't know if or how a "vote" was taken but it was certainly the case, because it was widely reported, that the Bulls agreed to a deal whereby we got 50% money for 2 years and so that was (part of) the deals that were done. It was clearly one part of the price to be paid to get the SL licence, whoever was buying was not in a position of much choice, the choices being take it or leave it.
It is however my understanding that the decision to then distribute the resulting surplus between the clubs themselves was a separate thing altogether. When and how that deal was done, I don't know. The Bulls wouldn't have been a party to it, since they hadn't yet got the SL licence, so if there was any meeting of SL clubs to discuss this, it presumably follows that as a not-yet-member, the Bulls wouldn't have been in attendance. Presumably it must be recorded in some document or minute or something somewhere.'"
it's probably recorded in the same minutes as the RFL decision to buy the lease on Odsal which more than likely is the start of the whole mess that just went from bad to worse
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I don't know if or how a "vote" was taken but it was certainly the case, because it was widely reported, that the Bulls agreed to a deal whereby we got 50% money for 2 years and so that was (part of) the deals that were done. It was clearly one part of the price to be paid to get the SL licence, whoever was buying was not in a position of much choice, the choices being take it or leave it.
It is however my understanding that the decision to then distribute the resulting surplus between the clubs themselves was a separate thing altogether. When and how that deal was done, I don't know. The Bulls wouldn't have been a party to it, since they hadn't yet got the SL licence, so if there was any meeting of SL clubs to discuss this, it presumably follows that as a not-yet-member, the Bulls wouldn't have been in attendance. Presumably it must be recorded in some document or minute or something somewhere.
Couldn't agree more that the decision to divvy was and remains a disgrace, but even had they been aware of it, there was obviously nothing the Bulls could have done about it. IMHO it is a shame and a scandal that that money was not used towarsd creditors of the old Bulls, or, failing that, put to good use for the growth of the game in general, and I am disgusted that it was taken as a Brucie bonus by the remaining clubs. I don't know if the vote was unanimous, (assuming there was a vote) but it doesn't matter as anyone who voted against it has still taken the money so can't be that troubled by it.'"
1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS
2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL
3. YOUR OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH
....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed
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| Quote ="gutterfax"1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS [iwho FA or the Old Club???[/i2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL [inot the only Club so what's the problem[/i3. YOUR PREVIOUS OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH corrected for accuracy
....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed
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We've moaned about it from the start so get up to speed, you really are coming across as the type of Kiwi the Ozzies take the P out of!
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| Quote ="gutterfax"1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS
2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL
3. YOUR OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH
....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed
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We were also docked 6 points as opposed to the 4 points previously dished when entering administration. Oh and where in the "rule book" does it state that by entering administration you are ejected from Super League? or that all the other clubs cast a vote on your fate, with strings attached!
How the hell as a club without a wealthy benefactor are we supposed to compete whilst losing 650k which is shared out amongst all the other clubs?
I'll say it again, its crippled us and its a f in disgrace.
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| Quote ="JUDGE666"
I'll say it again, its crippled us and its a f in disgrace.'"
You're lucky you even kept your SL license in the first place.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS
2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL
3. YOUR OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH
....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed
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So if London get the same, you will not complain in the slightest then?
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| If you can't afford to be in the top league you should drop down and rebuild like Many other clubs have done (or tried to do) in the past. Simples
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| As by misfortune someone rashly quoted your nasty bilge,
Quote ="gutterfax"1. YOU HAD YOUR HANDS OUT BEGGING FROM FANS'"
Yes. The fans gave, and as a result, whatever else happened, we still have a SL club, which we wouldn't otherwise have had. But WTF does that have to do with the Sky distribution?
Quote ="gutterfax"2. YOU HAD DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE RFL'"
If you mean "The RFL gave us money" then of course, no they didn't.
Quote ="gutterfax"3. YOUR OWNERS AGREED TO THE REDUCED SKY CASH '"
Yes, 50%, but only in the same sense as a Chicago offer they couldn't refuse.
Quote ="gutterfax"....and now you whine about how that Sky cash was spent/distributed'"
Yes. As it was never agreed by us that it would be divvied up amongst the other clubs. We agreed to accept less money. We did not agree to make big cash donation to every other SL team - they did that all by themselves.
Quote ="gutterfax"I am
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You are, I entirely agree. Credit to your screen and keyboard for saliva-resistancy though.
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| Quote ="M@islebugs"I take Moore's point but OK didn't start with zero, he started with a responsibility to put a SL team on the park for people to watch with no sponsorship, no lease on the ground, 50% Sky money and an understanding that even with full Sky money the previous board were losing 100k a month. That's a little bit different. Actually he started with a massive minus.
On the budgets I haven't seen them but have you ever met a new board who came out said the business they are taking over was well run? I haven't and Gerry Sutcliffe said the exact same thing in his office just after the take over.
My point is hold off on the rush to condemn OK. You know I think the actions of the Hood/RFL in the year before admin made matters much worse than necessary and I think both Guilfoyle and Sadler said different groups pulled out when they saw the books.
In short, OK is a restauranteur without any grounding in RL who didn't have to elbow anyone out of the way to buy a basket case. It looks like he failed and but the idea he and Sutcliffe left a situ worse than they found it sounds nonsense.'"
Totally agree with this post. We started out with minus NOTHING. Not many staff, Omar brought his own staff in to cover the shortfall in the catering side. Plus the people who knew how to manage the Stadium in total were no longer there. It was hard work for all concerned and perhaps we don't know the full story. The lack of revenue from the seven weeks without a game only made the situation much worse. The only revenue at that time appeared to be the Coral Stand - which held functions. It is always easy to be wise after the event.
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| Basically, if the club was a dog it would be going to see James Herriot.
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| Just wonder regarding the Sky money,if the one was sacrificed for the benefit of the struggling few.I would have thought that to safeguard the integrity of the RL family,that the Bulls Sky monies should be retained to pay off their creditors.This way,there would be security for new investment rather than edging the Club closer to extinction.Obviously not a penalty against the Bulls,but on the other hand,not a leg up to others at our expense in challenging times.
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| Quote ="PHILISAN"Just wonder regarding the Sky money,if the one was sacrificed for the benefit of the struggling few.I would have thought that to safeguard the integrity of the RL family,that the Bulls Sky monies should be retained to pay off their creditors.This way,there would be security for new investment rather than edging the Club closer to extinction.Obviously not a penalty against the Bulls,but on the other hand,not a leg up to others at our expense in challenging times.'"
Indeed. If they'd gone down that route I don't think many would have argued against it. However..
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| I went to an event at in the coral stand last year - an under elevens tournament was being played. I think twelve teams each wth between 12 and 20 players had matches. So probably between 250 and 300 adults watching. It should have been money rolling into the club but they only had one person working on the bar. It took 20 minutes to yet served, they had no cold soft drinks and the gas for the beer ran out on all but one pump; they also had no crisps or other snacks available to buy. The situation was made more farcical when anotherbmember of the staff helped out but as she was strich muslim would only serve coffee. Many gave up on trying to get served.
Similar events at headingley always have fully stocked bars and at least three staff available to work the bar.
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| Quote ="russianboris"I went to an event at in the coral stand last year - an under elevens tournament was being played. I think twelve teams each wth between 12 and 20 players had matches. So probably between 250 and 300 adults watching. It should have been money rolling into the club but they only had one person working on the bar. It took 20 minutes to yet served, they had no cold soft drinks and the gas for the beer ran out on all but one pump; they also had no crisps or other snacks available to buy. The situation was made more farcical when anotherbmember of the staff helped out but as she was strich muslim would only serve coffee. Many gave up on trying to get served.
Similar events at headingley always have fully stocked bars and at least three staff available to work the bar.'"
And there was wondering why Mr Whitcut had a string of failed pubs behind him
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| According to the League Express Luke Gale will be sold to Hull FC. Jarrod Sammut potentially next on the list.
Entire first team squad being told to take a 10% pay cut to reduce the wage bill.
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| Quote ="LiamA93"Latest is that Mr.Khan isn't taking action against the club, but against Ryan Whitcut and Mark Moore...
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Quote Ross Heppenstall @rosshtanda
Just spoken to Omar's representatives, who stressed he is NOT taking legal action against the Bulls but two individuals M Moore & R Whitcut'" '"
Do keep up
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| Addy & Gaskell in halves?
Hope we manage to keep Sammut though
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| We could cope with loss of Gale, but Gale and Sammut? We will struggle then.
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| I dont think Gale has been happy since his best bud Whitehead jumped ship earlier in the year, he does have the odd good game but they are lost amongst the number of horrid ones.
Have to keep Sammut, but the number of tries the bearded weirdo scores is something we cannot do without, let Addy and Gaskell fight it out for the number 7 and keep Sammut.
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| Quote ="broadybull87"I dont think Gale has been happy since his best bud Whitehead jumped ship earlier in the year, he does have the odd good game but they are lost amongst the number of horrid ones.
Have to keep Sammut, but the number of tries the bearded weirdo scores is something we cannot do without, let Addy and Gaskell fight it out for the number 7 and keep Sammut.'"
I think it may be out of our hands whether we keep him or not unfortunately. I hope we do but have a feeling he will be one of the players other clubs will "find" room for under the cap.
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| Quote ="debaser"I think it may be out of our hands whether we keep him or not unfortunately. I hope we do but have a feeling he will be one of the players other clubs will "find" room for under the cap.'"
I think Sammut enjoys being a big fish in a small pond, it does not always work when to go to a big pond and find you are a small fish, we will just have to wait and see, also depends who his manager is.
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