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| as a hull kr fan i cant see what all the fuss is about so the rfl have bought your ground so what on the other boards there moaning that this guarantees your place in SL which to be fair you wasnt in danger of losing
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| It does highlight a very sad state of affairs at our nearest and dearest rivals. Hetherington probably knew about this when we could really have closed them down for good following the "Iestyngate" scandle.
It does lead the question about where has all the money gone from the early naughties when they were pulling in big crowds and winning things. Also the "big money" for Fielden, the substantial six figure sum for Lynch....
I should have suspected something last year in my quest for information about rugby league players who have served this country in times of conflict... The reply from the Bradford Bulls didnt have a stamp on it and I ended up paying £1.38!!
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| Quote ="mat"Or a third option is we can support both the maintenance payments plus the new rent albeit with difficulty but we needed a cash injection to give us operating capital to pay a oneoff bill ( hmrc image rights settlement seems likely). Seems a better way of managing this than going out of business and reforming under a new name to avoid the bill which rumour is a few clubs are considering doing should Leeds lode the test case. Were in a fairly unique situation in that we have an asset to sell in the lease , and intend to continue occupying the ground so repaying the capital injection through the rent. Plus we don't know yet whether we've made additional concessions I.e. Do we still get bar takings or do they now go to rfl? Until we get more detail on finer points it's hard to judge merits of the deal for either side tbh.'" my interpretation too, tho I am suspect the deal is a good one. and just to show what size of distraction it must have been for Hood and the bulls management, look at the posts on this thread in the last 20 odd hours compared to anything about the team. So one less distraction, and back to the rugby and an improving team...
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| I think the fact that Adey, not for the first time, is willing to plough the lonely furrow on our behalf is great. But I feel for him - it seems like taking a thimble of water to the towering inferno. Because if theres one thing our parochial family love, its a conspiracy theory and any opportunity to cry favouritism.
And long it will continue until someone at the RFL twigs that a cursory statement on this deal doesn't really cut the mustard.
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| Quote ="Chorley Rhino"It does lead the question about where has all the money gone from the early naughties when they were pulling in big crowds and winning things. Also the "big money" for Fielden, the substantial six figure sum for Lynch....'"
There never WAS any money. The club was always spending at least as much, and in later years after the return to Odsal very considerably more, than it received. Jonesy got his thong in a tangle yesterday by saying Bulls used to call themselves "the People's Club". he was wrong or course - it was "the People's Team". Although that was a typical naff Caisleyism, the underlying point was entirely right: Bulls had (and have) no wealthy owner or backer. They therefore depend more than most on the support from the fans. When the crowds started to fall away, this perpetuated the vicious downward spiral of less cash = less good team = less good performances = less crowds = less cash = less good yeam = less good performances...
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"I think the fact that Adey, not for the first time, is willing to plough the lonely furrow on our behalf is great. But I feel for him - it seems like taking a thimble of water to the towering inferno. Because if theres one thing our parochial family love, its a conspiracy theory and any opportunity to cry favouritism.
And long it will continue until someone at the RFL twigs that a cursory statement on this deal doesn't really cut the mustard.'" whether the release yesterday was rushed is difficult to say, but at least they got the relevant details as to what they had bought out pretty quickly having seen that was a major omission. The RFL would no doubt have liked to emphasise the market value issue, the question they no doubt would not want to answer is property development market or sports club rental market value?
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| As much as I support the actions of the RFL in this matter I can just imagine the apoplexy on here from the usual suspects had the RFL 'bailed out' Wigan or Saints, irrespective of the facts. Even the more respected of posters might drop the use of Rot Hall & other disparaging names. I hear it was all on the specific instructions of Gary H.
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| could you possibly justify when
keighley got into financial difficulties did it get help from the rfl? did the rfl by their ground?
When hull kr went into administration did the rfl buy their ground? The answer to these questions is no! Both clubs got shafted by the rfl and never got any help. So gentleman and ladies could you possible justify why bradford got help and other clubs get shafted?? i would be very interested in your explaination?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Business interests aside, I am still unable to shake off a nagging feeling that governing bodies making 7-figure purchases from the clubs they govern should make people a little uncomfortable. It does seem to tie the RFL and the Bulls into a business relationship that, while not illegal or an absolute conflict of interest, feels (for want of a better word) a bit iffy.
Please don't misconstrue this as any allegation of unfair treatment or favoritism, =#FF0000just a feeling that it just isn't the kind of deal a sport's governing body should be involved in. That's a bit vague, but you know what I mean? Maybe?'"
Probably not , but as they were potentially the last hope , then a neccessary evil unfortunatley
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| Remind me again who Keighley's current landlords are?
Remind me again when the Bulls went into Administration?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Remind me again who Keighley's current landlords are?
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It's the RFL Adey.
Thought you would have known that
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Well i'm a Rugby League fan first and a Leigh fan second.
This is good for Bradford, England and Rugby League.
The way I see it, the only people losing out are the council, who like most councils are skint and are having to sell off any assets they have.
I've even started a thread on the positivity of this for the England National team and even a poll too on www.internationalrugbyleague.net
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Well i'm a Rugby League fan first and a Leigh fan second.
This is good for Bradford, England and Rugby League.
The way I see it, the only people losing out are the council, who like most councils are skint and are having to sell off any assets they have.
I've even started a thread on the positivity of this for the England National team and even a poll too on www.internationalrugbyleague.net
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| Its not even the council losing out, as the council leader confirmed in the press today.
The only losers are the developers who were looking to coerce Bulls out of Odsal to VP, so they could do a deal with the council for the land and then make a fortune developing it.
Since developers sit well below politicians on the scumbag scale, and only just above investment bankers, seems fine to me?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Remind me again who Keighley's current landlords are?
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To be fair, our situations are (were) different.
We (Keighley) didn't sell our existing lease to the RFL for a reported seven figure sum.
The RFL helped us re-negotiate the lease (which was due to expire) with the Co-op and ended up our landlord. As far as I am aware it didn't cost the RFL anything and we pay for ground maintenance/mods etc.
As long as Bradford and the RFL are getting a fair deal and as long as the RFL treat the rest of RL in the same manner then I can't see what all the fuss is about.
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| Quote ="Dreamer"To be fair, =#FF0000our situations are (were) different.
We (Keighley) didn't sell our existing lease to the RFL for a reported seven figure sum.
The RFL helped us re-negotiate the lease (which was due to expire) with the Co-op and ended up our landlord. As far as I am aware it didn't cost the RFL anything and we pay for ground maintenance/mods etc.
As long as Bradford and the RFL are getting a fair deal and as long as the RFL treat the rest of RL in the same manner then I can't see what all the fuss is about.'"
They all are , thats why it is unfair to compare , the only issue where it is relevant is the Licence criteria scoring one , that does affect other clubs directly , as thay are in competition at that point in time
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| Quote ="another fine mess"could you possibly justify when
keighley got into financial difficulties did it get help from the rfl? did the rfl by their ground?
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Er, yes. It did. The RFL owns Cougar Park.
Would you care to comment?
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| LoL, I love seeing the small town fans being getting wound up.
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| Quote ="Dreamer"To be fair, our situations are (were) different.
We (Keighley) didn't sell our existing lease to the RFL for a reported seven figure sum.
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Where is this reported 7 figure sum come from - last time i read it was undisclosed
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| I am LOVING all these bitter comments
Bitter Fax fans, its like the good old days.
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| Quote ="Starbug"They all are , thats why it is unfair to compare , the only issue where it is relevant is the Licence criteria scoring one , that does affect other clubs directly , as thay are in competition at that point in time'"
Odsal is currently a grade "B" so unless there is some serious deterioration I can't see it dropping below a "C" at the next license round.
Having said that, I'll bet it's a money pit.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"I noticed you online at 2:30am this morning fighting our corner on the VT.
You are a great ambassador for Bulls fans worldwide.
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Fully concur with your sentiments Mick.
Read the forum debates regularly but rarely post ... Adey is a gem.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Er, yes. It did. The RFL owns Cougar Park.
Would you care to comment?
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The RFL do not own Cougar park, they own a 60 year lease from the co-op.
For pulsator2k7
The 7 figure sum was reported in the national press [urlhttp://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/4083298/Its-an-Ods-on-winner.html[/url
PS don't lump me with the bitter and twisted, as long as the RFL are fair to everyone I don't care.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"This all sounds more and more positive. Doers anyone else think that maybe yesterday's press release was a bit rushed? maybe in response to the rumour having got out? '"
The announcement was definitely planned for yesterday anyway so I don’t think it was rushed.
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