Not sure what you're on about there as that's quite a sentence you've attempted to construct.

I'd say for us to join NL1 or 2 and operate out of Odsal would need the RFL to pay for the stadium's running costs or give us some sort of dispensation. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth bothering as we couldn't make it work on the kind of gates and sponsorship available at that level. That's what I mean by "playing ball".

If the RFL aren't up for that then I guess it's bye bye to professional RL in Bradford.

You also seem to assume that all these people are potential RL fans - I should think the realistic fan pool in Bradford is much lower than Hull's - plus the city is very much at the bottom end of the national income ladder.

At our most succesful we were managing manybe 15,000 regular home fans - if you strike off the glory hunters, the ones with tight finances - and the ones who now just watch on Sky and look at the ones prepared to watch lower league action perhaps 2/3000. That would put you in a better position than the other teams in the lower leagues - but it would be a long climb back even assuming you did have the key to the SL door.

Bradford are not going down.

No one mentions 'Community / Fans / Trust Ownership' as in Hunslet Hawks , Works very well for them.......No fat cat board of inept directors who , to be honest , are probably the cause of your problems. Get rid of them and start over again is the best way possible.
Is a ground share with Bradford PA not an option (not knowing anything about thier ground)

Not sure of Hunslet's arrangement at South Leeds Stadium but I'd be hopeful we could get a similar deal at Odsal.

Horsfall is where PA currently play I think, it'd take a fair few quid to make it acceptable for professional RL. It's owned by the Council. Not sure any kind of development would go down well with local residents.

Hello hello, what have we here then? "Integrity" is it?

Aye, just as long as you can crowbar some sort of financial bonus out of the current situation that Rangers find themselves, eh? Have a wee read at [url=http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtraynor/2012/06/sending-newco-into-division-on.htmlTRAYNORS THOUGHTS[/url and maybe you'll get a more realistic take on football North of the Border.

We will accept the consequences of the errors of our previous BOD, and if that means the rules say you start back in the 3rd,.....so be it.

As will Bradford Bulls, although I suspect the other members of Super League will take a clearer view of what this Club brings to the local community, and will adopt a more pragmatic view as to their future.

Both Clubs are having a tough year, and the future is uncertain, but the bedrock they are built on, are the fans...... and both will rise again.

Well I clearly know a lot more about Scottish Football than you - quoting Jim Traynor, one of the chief recipients of Murray's succulent lamb, the man is the biggest joke in scottish sport, similar to Dave Parker with less credibility. Are you denying there is a criminal investigation? Are you denying the double contracts - similar to Melbourne Storm? You do know that the Court of session has ordered a report into the Administration process? You do know that the paperwork lodged to gain SFA licence shows Craig Whyte still has a floating charge of £ 27m against Ibrox and Murray Park, the reason every other consortium has run away. However you are wrong to think I am anti Rangers, Rangers have been stolen, that is a crime in my view, the only future is to rebuild from the bottom tier, Sevco would result in a humstrung shadow of a club, rebuild without the chancers and they can and will be strong again.

Try reading a respectable journalist such as Alex Thomson of channel 4's blog, Jim Spence or Mark Daly on the BBC or watch Mark Daly's documentary "The men who sold the jerseys". If you don't know the truth you cannot face it.

However that is nothing to do with Bradford, they have not been liquidated with debts of £ 137m, if they were liquidated they would start again at the bottom not seek dispensation for a new club to enter the top league. I don't think they will be liquidated and HMRC may do a deal if they believe they will get paid eventually.

Well said 'Burley Cougar'.

Why should Northern be given any 'special treatment'?

What is so different between them and the 'Crusaders'?

Bradford are a real RL club, not yet another doomed expansion experiment - that's the difference...

I am a bit surprised at those figures but intrigued

Hull is a white working class City , all our taxi drivers are white , to illustrate a point. The Culture is British sport. Hull and rovers between them average 20,000 home attendances , sometimes less , and then more etc

The last time I drove through Bradford I saw you had a massive 'Indian/Pakistani' population , and I know these guys are 100% British from generation etc BUT do you have a % proprtionate split on attendances ?

Before any PC do-gooders get on board , I am talking about cultural differences , I live in Australia and there is very little soccer going on , it's a Cultural thing , they love Aussie Rules and the Brits I know just aren't fussed about Aussie Rules.

Not sure about the figures quoted earlier but these are more accurate:

Bradford 5th largest city/metropolitan district in the country: pop - 535,300
Hull 43rd - 263,900

Presumably the Bradford figures include sizeable towns such as Keighley, Bingley, Ilkley, Skipton, Silsden etc, as it is the metropolitan borough figures you are quoting, whereas Hull includes errr....Hull?

I'd assume that is correct, though I would have thought the City figure for Hull would have been a bit bigger, I'm sure it used to be more than that a few years back.

For as long as I can remember Bradford has been classed as the 5th or 6th biggest city in England.

You can hardly blame all the people for leaving...

Was told the other day that Bradford was voted the 2nd worst holiday destination in the UK. Guess which city voted the worst....

Heavens above! Who could possibly think from that wee parochial outburst you could be anything other than a well balanced individual?



Really? [i"We will accept the consequences of the errors of our previous BOD, and if that means the rules say you start back in the 3rd,.....so be it."
[/i A Simple statement, that a simple person like yourself should be able to understand. Feel free to PM me for further clarification.



Considered opinion,

is that Bradford will indeed be liquidated, and that the newco will receive strong and sympathetic backing from fellow Super League Clubs and the RFL, with a view to keeping them in SL. As it should be. 10000 fans and the Club's past record should at least guarantee them a shot.

I'm sure you would agree that Super League would be a poorer place, if a small minded Parish pump attitude was allowed to flourish, and condemn The Bulls down into the Championship.......

I simply Googled 'population of Bradford' and 'population of Hull' for my figures

The figures above aren't comparing like with like. They put a Metropolitan district (which includes places such as Keighley, Skipton, Ilkley etc), alongside a 'City'.

Anyway its all a bit of a pointless debate. The more interesting question is why a place like Hull can support two SL teams and a Championship / Premiership level football team, and it seems like Bradford doesn't have the capacity to support a SL team or football team that can keep its head above water.

How many Championship/Premiership football teams and SL teams are there within 40 miles or 45 minutes of Bradford, and how many are there within 45 minutes of Hull?

none Hull is a cul-de-sac

Ilkley has a Leeds postcode, ergo it is in Leeds, as we all know.

When you would really prefer most of all that it was in Harrogate...

I remember your holiday story. I went to an event in Huddersfield a few years back. A person, whose surname we shall pretend was Bailey, & is a senior director of a national engineering contractor with a similar name, preceded with a G&N but not necessarily in that order, who have their palacious offices in Ilkley, was a guest speaker. When someone asked him where they were based he said 'Just outside Harroagte'. Alledgedly.

Geographically I don't have a problem with that, much depends on your perspective. If you were Australian, for instance, it wouldn't be pushing it to regard it as a suburb of London.

Bradford is not a City where it's professional sports teams are as important within the community generally in the same way that they are in other places. The demographics of the City is one factor in this.

Certainly, the success or very existence of the Bulls means a hell of a lot to it's supporters but there are swathes of apathetic Bradfordians who have only ever had a slight curiosity, if any at all. Rugby League itself is not a part of the culture of Bradford to the degree it is in other areas.

There is the traditional stronghold to the south of the City but in BD3, 8, 9, and to a lesser extent BD2, 10 and a fair amount of BD7, I do think the level of support for the professional RL team in Bradford is not especially strong. That is a large chunk of the City.