Yeah, I'm talking about Mick Potter's point, enthusiastically backed up by Stuart Duffy

As for Langley, if he's playing like a prop then play him as one of the four props in rotation. I don't see the need to have a fifth one rotating. I don't think Elima is the answer either, I think he's better running out wide, same goes for Whitehead.

To be honest, given our current squad, I think we'd better going for a more creative player at loose - someone like Addy, or Donaldson if he could develop. Sammut is another possibility

Still rekon Langley should move to Prop should Lynch leave then Elima/Whitehead at 2nd row with Addy/Donaldson at LF depending on who we are playing.

1. Arguing with the punter, is poor form.
2. To take a stance of "you do better then" is even poorer form, petulant and really not the point. Him doing it "free" doesn't make him of value or good quality. I will say it again, poor quality is expensive.
3. Indeed those clubs do, because they realise the significant value they add. It isn't difficult to be creative and facilitate/fund those roles by other means, but what it does take is somebody with the savvy and understanding to do so. There is also a paid marketing executive at the club, as you well know. Even if the club hasn't said grey matter, it comes down to how you allocate resources at a club and where you choose not to. To say "we cannot afford to market the club (with individuals or budget) is absolute commercial suicide.
4. He doesnt have a marketing budget? That, is an absolute untruth, as well HE knows.

Far too much smoke and mirrors from AB.

Can't believe the amount of stick he is getting.

None of us on this forum give up most of our time to the club, so I don't think we can throw this amount of criticism at AB when he is putting more effort in for OUR club than any of us.

Lot's of people put up "effort" in life. Paul Sykes does. Rupert Murdoch does. Eddie Hemmings does.

As for quality....

None of those three you mentioned does their job unpaid. I doubt you do your own job unpaid or otherwise without prospect of financial reward?

You clearly believe you could do better than Bennett, and maybe you could. But that is not the point Ewen is making and to which you replied. Would [iyou [/ido his job unpaid? And with the considerable personal liabilities that attach to being a director?

Not to mention the ungratefulness of a large section of fans?

I for one think we are lucky to have Bennett. You can notice the difference in the quality of the Bull's marketing and the modernization of our brand since he came on board.

To be fair back in the day maybe 8 or 9 seasons ago now and prior to that we did used to have a shop full of different merchandise and a good selection of products not just clothing, but back then it was a man called John and the club decided not to listen to his ideas anymore on merchandising hence why since around 2003 the shop has been poo - Caisley as usual ha ha

Correct they don't, that is the point and given that they are actually paid, reinforces the point that effort doesn't make anybody of quality whether they are paid or not. But then you know that.

Why do you "doubt" what I have or haven't done, paid or otherwise since you have absolutely zero comprehension as to what I do? Spurious even for you and as usual, way off beam sailor. Also, duly noted your continued off radar personal jibes.

The point to which Ewen was eluding to I have answered as you well know; that being merely because AB has "given up" his time, that somehow makes him an outstanding soothsayer, effective and manna from heaven. It doesn't, since poor quality is expensive (I keep repeating it because you continually choose to ignore the very clear point).

Yes I would do his job (unpaid) without question and to far greater effect/success; but then so could a variety of others. However with PH in situ, that would be unworkable nor does it whet my whistle. Perhaps Bennetts ego is a contributory factor in his desire for Directorship, or conversely, his misguided belief he could turn it around. Either way I don't really care. The top and bottom of it is, not quite good enough. Not even close to.

Show me a personal jibe in what I said? You can't, because there isn't one. Just because you say something is so does not make it so.

Show me anything that is spurious in what I said? You can't, because nothing is. Just because you say something is so does not make it so.

Ewen's point was specifically about the unpaid time Bennett puts in. NOT about his ability or effectiveness, despite your obvious attempts to keep bringing the debate back to that. Everything I said was relevant to that, or to endeavour to bring YOU back onto that since it was YOU going off with spurious points outside of Ewen's post that you were replying to.

I'm surprised that you would even entertain the possibility that Bennett might be "...an outstanding soothsayer, effective and manna from heaven", since I have seen no-one else who professes to hold such a view or (unlike you) would consider themselves qualified to. I rather suspect that most, like me, hold the view that he may be the best we are likely to get in the financial circumstances (remembering too that Duckett has a marketing degree, does he not, so add him into the resources mix) and its another pair of hands and chunk of expertise where immediately before he came there was no-one in situ? I'm pretty sure that was the thrust of what Ewen was getting at too.

If you would indeed do his (pretty-well full-time) job unpaid, and if perchance you are telling the truth, then that (added to your previous contributions) would suggest two things to me: 1 - like Bennett, you have sufficient wealth to not have to work; 2 - you have a very big personal issue indeed with Peter Hood - and/or he does with you - since how else would it be "unworkable"? Clearly so big a personal issue that one or other - or both - of you would seem to be putting your apparent personal animosity ahead of trying to do what is best for the club, wouldn't you say?

Only you know if you would and you are, since we can have no way of telling whether your statement is genuine or just so much blustering hot air - can we?

Love the fact that the club has just pulled off a massive achievement in obtaining over 10,000 signatures for next year, yet people are still wanting this success to appear as a failure!

Given that many have stated they didn't pledge, but will buy, indicates we may increase members to over 11/12 thousand.

From me, round of applause to the club, specifically the marketing team.

After all, many estimates on the forum showed that not many people expected over 6000 pledges for next year!!

What a windy reply.

I've no intention of fueling your ongoing pomposity. But again, duly noted this collective "we" siege approach you continue with. Again Adey, speak for yourself not others.

The points I have made and eluded to are plentiful and very clear, I won't be repeating them for you.

I'm not interested in unpaid overtime etc etc, it all comes back to the same, simplistic point. Poor quality.

But then you know that.

I read it twice to make sure but it does appear you have missed out the Pigeon on this occasion

And, once again, your total evasion of my questions and avoidance of the issue being discussed is "duly noted".

As for the epitome of pomposity, I suggest you look in the mirror.

Deliberate, mate.

It got eaten by the vulture.

Well this isnt good we will just have to broaden our horizons and go on the hunt for another pigeon

I had credited you at one point with having a degree of grey matter. It is more apparent that is not the case.

Ewen doesn't need you to fight his corner Cinderella, so pop the soap box away. If he is making a point, he has the ability to continue it should he wish, not you handbagging.

And, (my you're hard work) for the 4th time (it's like talking to a slightly affected child) I made my points clear on the OP. As for your increasingly spurious questions, because you ask them, it makes them neither salient or worthy of an answer.

Had you not got embroiled in somebody else's point and then failed to make your own, then you wouldn't be left in such a tizz. So chill out petal, I've no interest in your continuing windy approach.

Back on topic, despite your copper wire stealing, I've made my thoughts clear on the Pledge approach, AB, PH etc etc. Whether you like that or not, its' futile to continue and I will not indulge you any longer. Rather keep this thread free from our mutual contempt. It's that simple.

This is like reading Shakespeare

And so, after yet another largely irrelevant rant liberally interspersed with personal insults and hardly recognisable as being connected with the matter being discussed, was there anything actually relevant GB you wanted to share with us?

Makes me want to go home and read Macbeth

I'm pretty sure the point was that putting alot of effort and/or doing it for free is no defense for not being very good or make you immune to criticism. Which I would agree with.

I find answering criticism of the club/players with "do you think you could do any better" to also be an empty defense. The answer would reasonably be "maybe not but its not my job". Its the same line you take with all kinds of professionals otherwise you'd never hold any of them to account. Would you say "Its alright Mr Mechanic for messing up my car because, you know what I couldn't have done it either" - no you wouldn't.

Having said all that, given where we've got with the pledge, Mr Bennett has clearly done a good job again and should be getting some credit for it as should the club. Once again we have a good deal and can only hope the players decide to step up to the plate this time.

Your first point - nothing wrong with that as far as it goes. After all, no-one forced AB to take on that job, regardless of how good or otehrwise he is at what he does. And indeed, I criticised AB earlier for arguing with his customers, as you saw. More at issue I suggest was GB taking it to excess, appearing to be pursuing his own personal seemingly obsessive agenda against Hood and the club's marketing generally?

Your second point - the difference is you are PAYING the mechanic to fix your car (and not mess it up), so you rightly expect a decent job. If instead it was a mate or rellie doing it for free, maybe because you felt you could not afford a professional mechanic, and he messed it up, would you seek to hold him to account in quite the same way? Because that is a better analogy, I suggest?

Your third point is surely something that NO-ONE can take issue with?

No I wouldn't hold him to account in the same way but he wouldn't be getting the job again and I'd still be telling him he was useless!

The second point has been hanging around in my head ever since Andy Lynch's interview where he said we couldn't complain as we didn't understand what it was like playing Superleague. Its more that kind of comment that it refers to.

Is it just me or does one wish the supporters forum was now tomorrow night instead of last week?

Obsessed, much?? Had you not got embroiled in Ewen's point (who is perfectly capable of a repost himself) then you would have zero need to keep rattling on. This board doesn't need you as Archangel Adey.

Not to mention that you continually miss the point about AB, or rather you choose to ignore it. Standard. Whether he took it on free, paid or under any other terms is absolutely irrelevant, given that we are clearly debating his ability, or otherwise, to do the job. But your continual defence and your self appointed, message board Chancellor of the Bulls role, precludes you from having any clarity on the situation, that is clear. As is, your 300-esque flag waving of all things Bulls, largely in the false hope you will recognised for your unwavering loyalty.

Cue an apoplectic keyboard smashing from Cinderella "we can conclude this, that, the other".