Danny Maquire would be welcome, he's always spoken well of the Bulls..who knows..

Didnt i somewhere Chalmers has a number of businesses. Not saying for one minute he is minted, truth is i don't know.

Surely the RFL will keep their eye on the management this time. They're heads are on the block as it was 100% their choice of owners. Mind you, with what's happened at Swinton doesnt seem the RFL believe in monitoring whats going on at clubs

If our owners have money it begs the question: 'why have they waited until we are all but relegated before starting to spend it?'

because the RFL will keep us up as we are the favourites..didn't you know?

Chalmers has had a lot of businesses but the only information I can find about him links to the ones that failed.

I reminded of this post:

Next 2 seasons like i say more than likely duff if I was confident it was 100 percent right id say

Thats the bit that worried me whether league 1 or championship if we are able to throw that sort of money about I sincerely hope its affordable, although I would also say it is in better hands with Toovey than Steve Ferres

I think everyone has the same idea of who Mister Geppetto is at the club for Cha-low.

I guess only time will tell.

Maybe they had enough of seeing their new signings get long term injuries in the first few games they played haha Smith, Chisholm, Gibson. Not even funny our injury luck!

In fairness, if Lee Smith & Dane Chisholm hadn't have got long term injuries after 4 and 1 game respectively, i would imagine we would have had a few more points on the board. If we'd also managed to have kept that left hand side of Bentley/Oakes/Ryan together for longer, we probably would have had even more points. Injuries have crippled us this year. Be interesting to see how many players we jave used this year. We've used around 7 loan players i think.

Maybe the owners saw this season in that they already spent a huge amount of capital trying to get a club together. Starting on -12 the odds were stacked against us and maybe they see it making more sense that rather than throwing money to inevitably be relegated, they decided to invest that will see us win L1 and move forward. As others have said, If we asemble a team that shows we mean business in rebuilding the club next year, then im on board.

Ive said it before, the work John Bastian does will see us with a HG squad that could see us compete to get back in SL again one day. Get off-field stability and on the field make an improvement each year while our academy products develop.

companies house is interesting. only Two directors listed, chalmers and a new Zealand company, orcas rugby league ltd. With said New Zealand company having 75% or more of the shareholding. No mention of Lowe as a director. Might be enlightening to dig round on New Zealand version of companies house and see who officers of orcas rugby league are.

edit: had a look orcas rugby league isn't too interesting as its just a holding company with Chalmers and Lowe both having 50% stakes. It was setup in 2003.

Well Astons number 41 and according to squad list only 12 is still unused so that suggests 40 used so far, 31 when Tonga comes in. Although I thought we got two widnes players initially, chapelhow and someone other than chamberlain. Cant remember if they actually played thought so may not have been given a number.

The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!

The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!

Per Companies Office ( in NZ we cannot afford a whole house!)

Incorporated 2nd September 2002 - two directors Chalmers and Lowe, address Unit 4, 76 Forge Road, Silverdale, Hbc, 0944.

Lowe only became a director at the end of last year.

Because everyone is so honest here in NZ very few companies have to file accounts

Quote ="paulwalker71"The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!'" We've actually used 40 players so far this season. You're forgetting that number 27 in the squad list is Josh Rickett who hasn't played a game. Tonga would be number 41.

Quote ="paulwalker71"The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!'" We've actually used 40 players so far this season. You're forgetting that number 27 in the squad list is Josh Rickett who hasn't played a game. Tonga would be number 41.

My thoughts exactly.
Yes it could be that we are building a squad for when we are relegated.
But its all smoke and mirrors to me.
I'm just wishing this season would hurry up and end so that we finally find out wtf is going on

The other thing about that too, is that the main argument anyone could come up with for waiting to spend money they allegedly may have, is that they knew we were relegated anyway so didn't want to waste the money trying to delay the inevitable, so keep it back for aiming at promotion back up.

The problem with that argument is those of us who've been even semi regularly this season have seen that had we signed the likes of Chisholm, Gibson, Tonga, Smith early on, I don't think relegation would be looming. When we went on the run that took us up to -2 and we were almost catching teams already, it looked for all intents and purposes like we'd do it. Then everything went pear shaped and we've only won one game since against poor knackered opposition. But the point remains that survival was perfectly doable had some money been thrown at the team. Some of the teams we've lost points to were poor and would be easily defeated with a semi-decent set of players.

Sure, those specific players may not have been available then. They could still have got injured within 60/80 minutes of their debut. And god forbid we don't want to start throwing money around that the club doesn't have and end up in the sheet again. However it's quite clear for all to see that money would have saved us from relegation, so if Cha-Lo do have some money stashed which they're now starting to spend, I really don't get why they've left it this long.

Taken from Totalrl.com thread - a question raised by someone but answered by a former poster on here AdeyBull - I tend to agree with his summary below:

Q. "Who is funding the Bulls now Adey? as looking at the potential cash flow through gates/other revenue it does not stack up could the RFL actually have a financial stake in the club and its just being fronted."

[iReally no idea. We are TOLD it is ChaLo. And it is implied that their limited funds explains, inter alia, why they were not able to sign players sufficient to avoid the near-inevitable relegation.

Can't be official central funding (effectively zero) or sponsorship (most went to Green) and gate receipts will be limited, given the club honoured season tickets where Green received the funds. Or anything much else, as far as I can see. None of the finances stack up to me. But they never did anyway, over recent years. There was never any way the Khan or Green regimes were ever going to make anything other than big losses.

The mood in the limited corridors of power at the club seems to be far more upbeat than the seeming impending latest disaster facing the club would suggest. But I really have no idea what the role of Wood and his cabal in all this is - beyond that they made sure the only bidder left standing was the one with seemingly much the least funds, that the new club would be forced to see out the fixture programme and then face almost certain relegation anyway at the end of it (totaly wasting a year, at best), and that - crucially - the RFL kept its hands on the stadium site, which is recorded as a valuable asset in the RFL accounts.

I very much speculate that any involvement the RFL may have has little to do with the Bulls per se, and everything to do with the stadium site. And its (re?)development potential.[/i

The smoke and mirrors and lack of clarity has just turned me off this season. I'll be back when I know what the hell is going on, probably.

^ this

The mantra should surely have been 'The only way is up'..going down would certainly challenge support and from a business point of view, not very savvy. Then, under budget restraints, would we become a part-time outfit? Without knowing what the plan was this season, it's difficult to class it as being successful.Glad to have lived to fight another day, but the lack of any forth coming strategy leaves me thinking, surely, there has to be more than this.Still waiting for news on how to make the Stadium pay, which again must be a priority, even before any investment in the playing squad I would have thought. The youth development policy is definitely a bonus, but only if the Club is stable and strong enough financially to hang on to our homegrown talent. We need somehow stop being a feeder Club when it is noticeable it is so often to our own detriment. For me, still too many unanswered questions.

Yep, same here. Lost my rag a while back about the total lack of communication, and nothing had changed. I know the two guys on here tried to get some answers, but there still wasn't really anything of substance that came from those answers.

The last I heard was Chalmers telling Gledhill there wasn't a plan for being relegated as they weren't even considering that as a possibility. I've heard nothing since, so if they're still not considering it, it means they know something we don't, or they're total idiots. If they are now considering it, bloody well tell us the plan! I don't want full details, I just want a basic outline of what the chuff is going on. Until I get it, I won't waste my time.

Quote ="paulwalker71"The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!'" I have a spreadsheet for the squad and appearances and, at the moment, I've got 40 names showing at least one appearance. I'd better check out the 'new' squad list as it's been a total joke so far with more than one player turning out in different numbers. Just looked at the Bulls' site and still we have Mathew Storton, Ted Chapelhow, Sam brooks ,Ed Chamberlain, and Cory Aston, all of whom have played at least once, without a number. The highest is Cameron smith on 37.

Quote ="paulwalker71"The Squad list post has been updated this week viewtopic.php?f=19&t=601941 We're up to No 41, with another player with no number listed. Number 12 unused for some unknown reason, so that equates to 41 players used so far (Tonga will take us up to 42 if he actually gets onto the field) Can we get to 50 by the end of the shield? Frankly I wouldn't bet against it!'" I have a spreadsheet for the squad and appearances and, at the moment, I've got 40 names showing at least one appearance. I'd better check out the 'new' squad list as it's been a total joke so far with more than one player turning out in different numbers. Just looked at the Bulls' site and still we have Mathew Storton, Ted Chapelhow, Sam brooks ,Ed Chamberlain, and Cory Aston, all of whom have played at least once, without a number. The highest is Cameron smith on 37.

Are you sure we're not being run by Theresa May and the brexit committee?

There are some depressing parallels.