Momentum and the Trade Unions have been allowed to take over the Labour Party and that means they'll be unelectable for a very long time, while they promise everyone can have everything they want for nowt including re-nationalising industries en-masse at a cost of who knows what. It will all be funded by borrowing and much, much higher taxes and make no mistake it won't be corporations and the top 5% that pay for their wish list, they are highly mobile and masters of avoiding tax - you're all deluded if you don't think that bill is coming straight to Mr and Mrs Average.

On the flip side the Tories want to make us slaves to the market and small government, spending nowt in a utopian wealth creation model that never trickles down and leaves essential public services badly underfunded - Hobsons choice eh!

New Labour were onto something with their third way model, genuinely occupying the centre ground understanding that lower taxes and corporations create wealth, but using the mechanics of government to distribute and invest in public services, but for the global financial crisis it might have turned out very differently.

What I yearn for is a party that understands that occupying that central ground is pretty much all of us really want, if you work hard you become wealthier, but pay your way - if you can but choose not to work, then you get nowt. All the other stuff, defence, education, health etc. should be a given, and should have the funding it needs, no decent person would argue with that.

I agree Frank but moderation in politics has given way to populism and parties and people are more polarised than ever.

97-2010 seems like a dream now. Not sure how that 3rd will be making a return for some time.

What shall we call our new party

I am fully anticipating a Brexit/Trump style shock and will look forward to celebrating a Corbyn victory on Friday morning...

If that happens I will gladly eat your underwear.

It's destiny I tell you.

I'm keeping this pair on then all week.

In that case I will eat them either way.......

If we start a new party because the old one completely failed I suppose the name is irrelevant but because it did fail and is a new party I assume it will automatically start 12 points behind the Tories in the first polls. I don't see that as a problem!

I can only assume that the 37 who are voting for the conservatives are depressed bulls fans who have decided to give up on life completely and want to drag the rest of the population of Bradford into the abyss with them.

After the Tories win I guarantee you will all be paying extra tax and national insurance.

For all of you who are millionaires you will be fine. You will all be able to pay extra for health care and social care, send your kids to private schools who have loads of resources and be able to afford to buy a house.

The rest of us can just enjoy getting poorer watch our public services be slowly dismantled . Whilst at the same time we will be told if you wo0rk hard you will reach your potential. 9trouble is it is a bit like heaven we will only be equal with the Tories friends when we are all turned to dust )

I'd be curious to see the votes again now tbh. Most of those were from just after it was called. It seems another world.

You can't trust the polls at all, especially after the last time.
Plus there are all those young voters who say that they intend to go and vote, but on the day probably won't bother. Especially when they look out of the window and see that it's raining.

I'm hoping the rain and threat of terrorist attacks will put the old people off from voting.
I'm certainly not offering to give my elderly neighbours a lift down....

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Hypothetically speaking, if Diane Abbott was your local labour candidate, can anybody with hand on heart, but a cross next to her name

Maybe you would find Jacob Rees mogg more palatable.

He would be able to give you advice on how to spend your millions

You avoided the question though

A simple yes or no please

Personally I would rather vote for Diane Abbotts older step brother Russ and his madhouse than vote for her lots madhouse

Of course I would. Labour aren't going to win, by all accounts she represents her constituents well. So every Labour vote is an attempt to minimise the irreversible damage conservatives will do to the country over the next 5 years.

Abbott's constituents will continue to vote for her no matter how unpalatable some others find her. It's the same situation in Shipley where people continue to vote for Philip Davies. Personally I think Abbott is a bit hopeless whereas Davies is an absolute "see you next Tuesday".

I don't buy the harmless old leftie nonsense, some of Abbott's views are genuinely worrying, as are some of Corbyn and McDonnell's and now they're all intent on trying to make us all forget the views they've been espousing for the last 30 years. That said Boris Johnson's jingoism and general buffonary is as worrying.

None of them have got the first clue what to do with the single biggest task in front of them, taking us out of Europe - nothing else really matters, because that underpins everything, the economy, immigration, health, defence, everything and until we know what that looks like everything else is pointless debate right now.

This is a defining election for sure, with a choice of becoming a pseudo communist state that aims to go a long way past the scandanavian socialist model or towards a free market free for all - both visions are genuinely depressing.

I'd definitely vote for her if it kept the Ukipservative out. I'd vote for Lucifer, if it kept the Ukipservative out. Truth be told, I know little, if anything about Diane Abbot and you wouldn't trust the tabloids to give a fair chance to anyone who is politically to left of Attila the Hun.

May hasn't even costed ANY of her manifesto but the Mail, et al, apparently see no problem at all with that, Abbott gets flustered, in a radio interview, over a figure for one policy and she's, "unfit to be in government". Says it all really.

On Europe I don't think anyone has much of a clue how it'll go since nobody's ever done it before in any country. Looking at how trade negotiations go between other countries there's no way it'll be sorted in 2 years unless there's a willingness on both sides to make it work. It took 7 years for a Europe/Singapore trade deal to get agreed. 2 years to negotiate leaving the EU seems wildly optimistic. Leaving without a deal will trigger a recession.

The sticking point is going to be the "divorce bill". The right wing of the Tory party and the right wing press won't want to pay a penny. That's just unrealistic. May is going to have a job on to appear tough to placate those idiots but retain a decent negotiating relationship with European partners. I doubt she can do it. We'll end up leaving with no deal and all the blame being put on Europe when in actual fact the whole mess was brought about by the Tory right.

May isn't as tough as she makes out. She's gone for an election to shore up her position internally in the party but she's totally under the influence of the Tory press. Has she got a good negotiating team? Boris Johnson is incapable of being a serious politician. Liam Fox is a spiv. The government have been advertising for negotiators because they lack expertise - even trying to persuade ACAS people to come on board despite ACAS not having any trade negotiating expertise.

If it was Labour doing the job you're in the same situation pretty much although I rate Keir Starmer far higher than David Davis or Boris. The difference is they don't need to play up to the press since they're hated anyway.

It's a sorry state of affairs. My rationale is that I'm always going to need public services so I'm going to back the party with the best record on looking after them. As we get older we're all going to need the NHS and social care.

May’s pretence of being strong & stable is crashing down on her. She has no conviction. She sat on the fence on Brexit until she thought the remainers were going to win then plumbed for them. The most radical thing she has ever done in her life is run through a wheat field which upset the farmer a tad. The bureaucrats of Brussells will be terrified. It’s a good point you raise though. 99% pf the negotiations will not be by the PM, or MPs, but by civil servants.

I suppose the kindest thing you could say about her calling for this election at this time was planning to get enough support to be able to comfortably ignore her rabid Right wing.

Diane Abbott replaced as shadow HS.

Temporarily, for ill-health says Corbyn.

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