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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Free? What is this "free" of which ye spake?
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IIRC its a quaint, old-fashioned term, considered heretical in legal circles in the same way an actor will not name the Scottish Play. If you use this term ftf with a lawyer, he/she will usually turn ghastly pale, whisper "you named it..." and turn round three times while making undecipherable hand movements and muttering a strange incantation. He/she will then deck you.
It is usually used as part of a standard test whereby the limits of a lawyer fan's commitment and dedication can be precisely ascertained, is it not?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"IIRC its a quaint, old-fashioned term, considered heretical in legal circles in the same way an actor will not name the Scottish Play. If you use this term ftf with a lawyer, he/she will usually turn ghastly pale, whisper "you named it..." and turn round three times while making undecipherable hand movements and muttering a strange incantation. He/she will then deck you.
It is usually used as part of a standard test whereby the limits of a lawyer fan's commitment and dedication can be precisely ascertained, is it not?'"
In America I think it is something to do with U2
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| Quote ="Adeybull"IIRC its a quaint, old-fashioned term, considered heretical in legal circles in the same way an actor will not name the Scottish Play. If you use this term ftf with a lawyer, he/she will usually turn ghastly pale, whisper "you named it..." and turn round three times while making undecipherable hand movements and muttering a strange incantation. He/she will then deck you.
It is usually used as part of a standard test whereby the limits of a lawyer fan's commitment and dedication can be precisely ascertained, is it not?'"
I'm confused. I hope you're not hinting at a degree of parsimony at all? From what I hear, a trip to Scotland may develop one's understanding of the concept, the locals are apparently very big on this "free".
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I'm confused. I hope you're not hinting at a degree of parsimony at all? From what I hear, a trip to Scotland may develop one's understanding of the concept, the locals are apparently very big on this "free".'" Not in Edinburger they ain't.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Not in Edinburger they ain't.'"
He's probably talking about the Wee Free. That means you don't have to pay for public toilets, I think.
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| Quote ="MDF"He's probably talking about the Wee Free. '"
I guess that may well be true.
Quote ="MDF"That means you don't have to pay for public toilets, I think.'"
Again, not in Edinburger.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza" if anyone took any notice of the rantings of Mike Stephenson!'"
So nothing to worry about then?
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| I'm looking forward to see how Stevo responds to this
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I'm confused. I hope you're not hinting at a degree of parsimony at all? From what I hear, a trip to Scotland may develop one's understanding of the concept, the locals are apparently very big on this "free".'"
Would I suggest that? Imply otherwise and I will have to contact my lawyer...
[size=59 =cyanMoney-grabbing downright theft and mugging with menaces is another story, mind...
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And anyway, its "fee" not "free" in your last sentence?
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| Quote ="vbfg"Keighley?'"
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"It's totally unproffessional of Stevo to do this. A national broadcaster using a weekly newspaper column to indulge in damaging and unfounded tittle tattle about the financial health of one of the clubs in the sports elite dvision.
Considering that the Bulls have this year announced a new sponsorship deal with a multinational logistics company and a partnership with an insurance broker did it not occur to Stevo that these companies might not have come on board without looking over the books first?
If I were Peter Hood I'd be demanding a full retraction in League Express as this could be highly damaging at corporate level if anyone took any notice of the rantings of Mike Stephenson!'"
it looks like the australian hobby of deathriding clubs has reached our glittering shore. Great. Stevo is being a wannabe.
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| Unfortunately there is liitle possibily of legal action against the Sky SlapHead for his reporting of the Bulls finances.
He said that he had heard rumours from a non-specified source (cant prove he didnt.. even if it came from 2 numpties in a pub).
The hearing of such was actual (he would say) and his reporting of such was factual, and not indended to be malicious. (He would say)
Inside information is important to a regular column journalist though Stevo seems now excluded by most clubs and players if his articles are to analysed leading to outrageous speculation in lazily padding them out.
Intelligent comment and reasoned dissemination of RL issues are also now lacking. He's degenerated into mostly shambling person grandoisement and inuendo.
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| I have heard strong rumours, and I am factually reporting this and the nature of the rumours, that Stevo ate his hamster and dresses up as a girl at weekends when he is not hanging around in public parks in the small hours abusing the azaleas.
Well of course I haven't (although I SO wish it was all true... ). But if gossip on the terraces was along those lines, would it be OK for me to publish that for wide distribution?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I have heard strong rumours, and I am factually reporting this and the nature of the rumours, that Stevo ate his hamster and dresses up as a girl at weekends when he is not hanging around in public parks in the small hours abusing the azaleas.
Well of course I haven't (although I SO wish it was all true...
). But if gossip on the terraces was along those lines, would it be OK for me to publish that for wide distribution?'" Stevo plays to his public image of being a t-wat.
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| About time Stevo retired. And his commentary on Sky is embarrassing as well.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Stevo plays to his public image of being a t-wat.'"
Quite happy for him to be a twät on his own time; but when his public twättery treads close to potentially very damaging libel that could cause real harm (imminent signing x reads it and has second thoughts; prospective sponsor y ditto; supplier z ditto and decides to demand cash up front) then there has to be a case to answer.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Quite happy for him to be a twät on his own time; but when his public twättery treads close to potentially very damaging libel that could cause real harm (imminent signing x reads it and has second thoughts; prospective sponsor y ditto; supplier z ditto and decides to demand cash up front) then there has to be a case to answer.'"
Regretfully no case to answer. Journalist licence to reporting heard rumours. Not malicious reporting.
Unless of course the rumour attribution (either in a specific accusation or towards a specific club) was unduly regular and continuous, this might then be consrtued as malicious.
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| Quote ="bobsmyuncle"Regretfully no case to answer. Journalist licence to reporting heard rumours. Not malicious reporting.
Unless of course the rumour attribution (either in a specific accusation or towards a specific club) was unduly regular and continuous, this might then be consrtued as malicious.'"
Legally, no - provided, of course, he could demonstrate on balance of probabilities that he had indeed heard such widespread rumours. I doubt message-board tittle-tattle would cary much weight?
But morally - very much so. He must have known full well that such reporting could be damaging and potentially very harmful. Any responsible hack would have contacted the club, explained what had been heard, explained that he intended to report on it, and invited comment. And, if he then still felt it worthy of reporting, include the club's comments. And if he chose NOT to include those comments, face serious public censure or worse for biased or malicious reporting.
But of course he is not responsible, so we saw what happened.
His failure to include the club's side, and therefore to present any attempt at a balanced report, means he sailed pretty close to the edge IMO.
And if the argument is that he was not acting as a reporter but was presenting his opinions, then he's sailing even closer to that fine line for defamation IMO.
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| Quote ="bobsmyuncle"Regretfully no case to answer. Journalist licence to reporting heard rumours. Not malicious reporting.
Unless of course the rumour attribution (either in a specific accusation or towards a specific club) was unduly regular and continuous, this might then be consrtued as malicious.'"
He did make a similar comment in his Sky Blog last week:
[url=http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12531_5229075,00.htmlWe all know about the financial strife they are in so it is not as if he can buy his way out of trouble[/url
... a comment which doesn't name a source and is repeated in bold on the same page as a 'quote of the week'.
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| Quote ="bullsfan4ever"He did make a similar comment in his Sky Blog last week:
[url=http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12531_5229075,00.htmlWe all know about the financial strife they are in so it is not as if he can buy his way out of trouble[/url
... a comment which doesn't name a source and is repeated in bold on the same page as a 'quote of the week'.'"
So in this case he states that 'We all know' i.e. he is attributing the knowledge to himself (amongst others). He is the using this so called knowledge in his job to spread this knowledge. If it is false then he is maliciously spreading the rumours. Even Journalists must get some kind of confirmation before spreading such.
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| Quote ="bullsfan4ever"He did make a similar comment in his Sky Blog last week:
[url=http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12531_5229075,00.htmlWe all know about the financial strife they are in so it is not as if he can buy his way out of trouble[/url
... a comment which doesn't name a source and is repeated in bold on the same page as a 'quote of the week'.'"
Now that IS almost certainly libelous. His only get-out is that he does not say what he means by "financial strife". Maybe he was not "cohersed" enough?
Anyway, he also said:
Quote ="hamster-eating cross-dressing azalea-abusing pile of dog turd"I fear for Bradford, I really do...It is certainly doom and gloom for the Bulls.'"
Called that one well?
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| Quote ="bobsmyuncle"Regretfully no case to answer. Journalist licence to reporting heard rumours. Not malicious reporting.
Unless of course the rumour attribution (either in a specific accusation or towards a specific club) was unduly regular and continuous, this might then be consrtued as malicious.'"
But that statement bears no relation to the actual law!
Malice is not a requirement!
Stevo has clearly defamed the club (unless we are in "financial strife"icon_wink.gif.
So far as I can see his only possible defence would be one of qualified privilege, which protects some "public interest" stories, providing they "adhere to the standards of responsible journalism".
If the allegation is just plain wrong - as Hood clearly stated it is - then Stevo/RLLE would be in trouble as imho it would need a pretty solid and reliable source to justify saying a professional club is "in financial strife" much more so saying this is supposedly well known.
He might I suppose try to get out of it by dissembling, that "financial strife" is not a term of art, and doesn't mean anything in particular, and that under Stevo's definiton of "strife", they are. Would still leave it a cheap shot, and still leaves him a total tossing post.
I await next Monday's issue with great interest.
" Bradford Bulls - An Apology"?, anyone?
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| Whatever legal recouse might be available to the Buls I agree with FA that Stevo
"Would still leave it a cheap shot, and still leaves him a total tossing post"
League Express should consider the contents of Stevo's submissions and assess whether they want to be associated with such non-informed. non-attributed and non-researched articles in their publication.
If they do then it questions all of their editorial policies and belittles many of the genuine journalists on their staff
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Stevo has clearly defamed the club (unless we are in "financial strife"icon_wink.gif.'"
As much as Stevo is a pr1ck & what he has said, in his position, is not excusable, for a number of posters on here to feign hysteria & claim you are not in financial strife is a bit rich (!). Perhaps he has read the thousands of posts on RAB blamimg your league position squarley on the financial situation at the club. Depends on your definition of strife I suppose.
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| Quote ="tigertot"As much as Stevo is a pr1ck & what he has said, in his position, is not excusable, for a number of posters on here to feign hysteria & claim you are not in financial strife is a bit rich (!). Perhaps he has read the thousands of posts on RAB blamimg your league position squarley on the financial situation at the club. Depends on your definition of strife I suppose.'"
if we're in 'strife' whilst operating at a profit for several years and with assets, how do you describe the situation that the majority of the other superleague clubs are in where they have no assets and post a loss every year only surviving due to handouts from their sugardaddies?. And this is public knowledege, the accounts for all clubs are available for a nominal fee from companies house so are easily checkable by any responsible journalist. The only 'strife' we find ourselves in is not money spare to spend on transfer fees which is a bit different to the impending insolvency stevo suggests.
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