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| Lamb seems to be in place giving interviews remarkably quickly after Moores 'surprise' announcement....
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| Hmmmm. Well I guess we'll have to see what happens.
If OK is still in the shadows then I won't be having anything to do with the club.
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| Quote ="mat"Lamb seems to be in place giving interviews remarkably quickly after Moores 'surprise' announcement....'"
I thought that too. Don't trust RFL.
Don't mind the six points though would prefer less or non. We have gone bump again due to lack of Central funding. Anyone looking in without a vested interest would see that, the sharing of our withheld is just bizarre and difficult to justify.
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| Seems pretty clear something happened, or someone intervened, in the last 24 hours?
I wonder what? Or who? And why?
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| it's a bizarre case, club struggling in 2012 so the ner' do wells of SL stymie the RFL into hitting Bulls financially. This then causes future funding problems at end of 2013 and Bulls again go into admin. RFL not happy that a intended new owner has tried to buy club using the clubs own money in the past, then no written guarantees to satisfy creditors or no firm investment from new owners so they hit the Bulls again..... Makes you wonder what would have happened back in 2012 if the Bulls had said no we don't want a loan for the club we will go belly up mid season....Probably be in a lot better state now without the RFL's help
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Seems pretty clear something happened, or someone intervened, in the last 24 hours?
I wonder what? Or who? And why?'"
Maybe that will become clear in the coming days/weeks. Then again I doubt we'll get the full story.
Feeling disillusioned with the whole thing. ![Sad icon_sad.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif)
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| Seems like we're back in the situation we were in at the first admin. If a buyer comes in it's subject to a heap of conditions thanks to mismanagement by predecessors.
Who'd take that on?
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| The harbinger of death is upon the club.
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0mSEzttx8[/url
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| Really feel for you guys(fans) but where did all the money go when you were in your pomp and had massive crowds?? did the owners take the money and run?and left sod all when other people stepped in,im only asking as I don't know your history other that in the days when you were kings your place sold out most games that's a lot of money.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"KAPOW!
Some people need to get a grip. The RFL have done far more to help bradford than any other club. To blame this on them is libellous. Bradford only have themselves to blame.
What happen now?
Who knows, but it's going to be very interesting and exciting to see
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LONDON BRONCOS!! Much help from the imbeciles at the RFL.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Seems like we're back in the situation we were in at the first admin. If a buyer comes in it's subject to a heap of conditions thanks to mismanagement by predecessors.
Who'd take that on?'"
![NAUGHTY eusa_naughty.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_naughty.gif) Nonono...that can't be right, though.
What you have to realise is that the club is an entity, and its owners are irrelevant. And you have to punish the new owners (if you can find any), and the fans and (especially) the staff for what the prevbious owners did. You have to give the new owners a jolly good thrashing, so they don't do what the previous owners did. As a deterrent. Even though when it all goes tìts up again, as it invariably will given you have thrashed the new guys within an inch of their lives, it will not be the new guys that suffer from RFL sanctions for their actions, but the next lot (if any. If you are lucky).
You really just don't get it, do you?
Good job so many of our dear friends supporting other clubs, especially ones that may or may not have been in the same relegation scrap, understand it all so clearly, eh?
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| Quote ="karetaker"Really feel for you guys(fans) but where did all the money go when you were in your pomp and had massive crowds?? did the owners take the money and run?and left sod all when other people stepped in,im only asking as I don't know your history other that in the days when you were kings your place sold out most games that's a lot of money.'"
Error after error. Harris saga hurt the club but the cheap season tickets crippled them. Matt Orford farce. Signing poor players on high wages. Falling crowds. Keeping Mcnamata for far too long!
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| The fact was we were losing money in 2003 at the height of the success. Which leads one to conclude that without a sugar daddy it's near impossible to run this club as a sound business.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Has he got the money to pay the creditors '"
If Mr Lamb is still interested in buying Bradford Bulls, he doesn't have to pay the creditors. He just has to make an offer to buy the Club from the Administrator (who then pays the creditors to the extent possible with the money he realises for the Club). Mr Lamb would know what he would be buying (an SL Club with 6 points deduction, half Sky money this year, in special measures).
I'm not sure if the Administrator has the power to make players redundant if, say, Mr Lamb said 'I'll pay you £xx,xxx for the Club - but on condition you make the (2, 3, 4, 5 {take your pick}) highest paid players redundant first" - Or some other condition - "I'll buy the Club if you get the players to accept a xx% pay cut first" etc.
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| Quote ="karetaker"Really feel for you guys(fans) but where did all the money go when you were in your pomp and had massive crowds?? did the owners take the money and run?and left sod all when other people stepped in,im only asking as I don't know your history other that in the days when you were kings your place sold out most games that's a lot of money.'"
There never WAS any money.
The club was always teetering, other than the short period when under Caisley they had and spent the Odsdal settlement at a frightening rate.
Other clubs were bankrolled by rich owners. Bulls never had one. That was the reason Caisley came up with the much-derided "People's Team" moniker. Concept was sound, even if the launch was so naff it killed any impact at birth.
The current RFL business model seems to require a wealthy owner. We never had one, and I suspect never will. If the club even exists.
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| After reading the RFLs comments in reply to Mark moor's statement some of the RFL's observations don't make sense to me:
The RFL state:
"Throughout our dealings with them, the club’s directors were unable to provide any evidence of new capital investment into Bradford Bulls and consequently, the RFL Executive had no confidence in the business plan that was presented"
"We have seen nothing further from the directors to suggest that situation has improved. Indeed their business plan revealed yet another attempt to buy the club with its own money"
So Why did you Ratify the takeover!!
Is it me or is it the RFL trying to justify their inept ability to run Rugby League. ![DEPRESSED icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//a054.gif)
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| Great point Zapperbull!
It sounds like both sides are making stuff up as they go along.
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| * better not I guess *
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| Don't know enough about your finances,so can't comment on them.But playing wise,i'm sure Bradford will be ok.You'll easily reel London in and i think over the season you'll overtake a couple more teams.
Chins up!!
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| Surprised all our visiting TUPE experts have not picked up on this yet:
We were told that all the staff had been TUPEd across to BB2014 Ltd from OKB Ltd, right?
So they are now all employees of BB2014 Ltd, right?
The same BB2014 Ltd that has seemingly just withdrawn its offer to buy the club assets and take over the SL License, right?
So this would be the BB2014 Ltd that is owned by Moore, Calvert and Watt and employs a load of people, but has nothing for them to do now? And nothing to pay them with?
My immediate reaction rhymes with Clucking Bell, but hey what do any of us know???
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| “In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.
Think that sums up the RL'S stance on the situation. Not enough effort made by the directors to cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means.
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| Quote ="senoj"live within their means.'"
Live within their rfl withold half their sky money means.
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| Quote ="senoj"“In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.
Think that sums up the RL'S stance on the situation. Not enough effort made by the directors to cut their cloth accordingly and live within their means.'"
No.
It means that the directors HAD done that, but had not committed to put loads of their own money into the operation.
Lets see if Rot Hall can find some better idiots to pour their money down the sink, given that the last lot's offer was seemingly the best available?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Surprised all our visiting TUPE experts have not picked up on this yet:
We were told that all the staff had been TUPEd across to BB2014 Ltd from OKB Ltd, right?
So they are now all employees of BB2014 Ltd, right?
The same BB2014 Ltd that has seemingly just withdrawn its offer to buy the club assets and take over the SL License, right?
So this would be the BB2014 Ltd that is owned by Moore, Calvert and Watt and employs a load of people, but has nothing for them to do now? And nothing to pay them with?
My immediate reaction rhymes with Clucking Bell, but hey what do any of us know???'" Good point actually (I'm honestly not enjoying this, I really do feel for you.) does that mean the players are now free to walk what with there being no monies coming in and as they are now not connected to a holding company with a connection to a RL club?
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| IF the players are employees of BB2014 or whatever, and that is now in administration/still in administration their contracts are still valid.
It will be for them to ask to leave or for the administrator to find other clubs for them if needs be I.e there aren't sufficient funds to pay them.
In a worst case scenario it would also be at the administrators discretion to make the players (individually or en masse) redundant.
Having been here before, I don't expect this to be a given.
FWIW I think the 6 points is right, the rest though I think is overkill and could well hamper any potential takeover, this could be seen as the RFL signing the death warrant which would be terrible PR.
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