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| We played a lot of 'dumb' rugby today. We let Castleford off the hook big time and they steamrolled us. We got bullied by their pack. Not good enough today.
Roll on Thursday.
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| I think your all being to negative . Yes we made some very silly errors but we had two trys turned down and one we should have had when they pulled us back going for the ball . I think the ref made some bad calls . Also did you guys not see purtell lose the ball 3 times and not jump for a ball in the air forcing bk to run up which caused a knock on.
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| I certainly wouldn't fault us for effort today - and given that it was a concern that recent events would drain morale, that isn't something that I took for granted as I arrived today.
Crucial mistakes at crucial times cost us. Inability to settle the game when we got in front, not once - but twice.
And, as others have commented, a lack of fitness was apparent. You could see the energy levels drop at 60 minutes - falling off tackles, not getting back into the defensive line etc.
Worrying that we have lost one of the games we needed to target a win, and with the possible points deduction still to work itself out....
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| I didn't think Gale was that bad today. the forwards looked very tired, to me, only Scruton made any real impact. New props needed, how long until Mexico arrives? gaskell started very quiet but his influence did get better in the second half.
We need Ferguson fit for Thursday!
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| My take is that Bradford got their positions well in the first half but in the attacking zone had no real organisation, leadership in plays. so were squandered. The Cas forwards did their job throughout the match which culminated in the eventual win.
I would like Manakafoa to do more for his hitting size, he's just not doing it for me at all. All in all I thought Bradford were more skilful but without the beasts hitting hard it just is not going to happen. As far as the season is over by some, what utter rubbish.
If there is something to be sorted out is the reasons why players start to get desperate under pressure and as we saw lead to Cas's tries. Wakefied next COYB
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| Quote ="miketaurus"All in all I thought Bradford were more skilful but with without the beasts hitting hard it just is not going to happen.'"
Exactly what I said to Bullseye towards the end (or he said to me - either way we agreed). Some of he criticism of Gale may be a tad unfair, given he was playing behind a pack that was clearly lightweight compared with Cas'. You could see the difference in size as the two teams came down the tunnel at half time. But that DOES sort of point to better things if we can just get some money to bring in a few more big guys. As a minimum, we should surely have Carvell's money to play with.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Exactly what I said to Bullseye towards the end (or he said to me - either way we agreed). Some of he criticism of Gale may be a tad unfair, given he was playing behind a pack that was clearly lightweight compared with Cas'. You could see the difference in size as the two teams came down the tunnel at half time. But that DOES sort of point to better things if we can just get some money to bring in a few more big guys. As a minimum, we should surely have Carvell's money to play with.'"
I agree. Backs have to be protected to work and yes as you and Bullseye discussed, that there has got to be some money spent on "credible" pack structure and weight. I am really positive about the backs, we have to have some hitters but who?
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| We need an impact prop and a play maker. Oh hang on...
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| not going lie I feel you guys we Cas was off our game today and still was 2 strong for you and you did try hard but in 4 weeks time the pitches will be different and with your squad so thin and more to leave who are you going to beat apart from London a real shame the people over the last 10 years of running this club should hold there head in shame.
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| Quote ="daveyz999"I didn't think Gale was that bad today. the forwards looked very tired, to me, only Scruton made any real impact. New props needed, how long until Mexico arrives? gaskell started very quiet but his influence did get better in the second half.
We need Ferguson fit for Thursday!'"
Agreed. The pack as a unit looked very lightweight and when Powell ordered a more direct approach at half time, we were steamrollered. I like Sidlow but was very surprised he received the man of the match.
I saw enough in Gaskell's play to suggest he could prove an excellent signing.
I did think Diskin looked fitter and was decent in the first half.
If Ferguson is fit for Thursday that will be a bonus but we do need at least one new prop
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"I certainly wouldn't fault us for effort today - and given that it was a concern that recent events would drain morale, that isn't something that I took for granted as I arrived today.
Crucial mistakes at crucial times cost us. Inability to settle the game when we got in front, not once - but twice.
And, as others have commented, a lack of fitness was apparent. You could see the energy levels drop at 60 minutes - falling off tackles, not getting back into the defensive line etc.
Worrying that we have lost one of the games we needed to target a win, and with the possible points deduction still to work itself out....'"
I'm hoping that we are a lot fitter than we appeared today, just overdone the stamina work, not tapered down in time for the start of the season and will be strong at the end of the season. You've got to hope!
We need to pick up points before the injuries take their toll.
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| Some do not get it. There is no money.
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| I don't necessarily think we are unfit. It seems to me that with the lack of size we are having to work so much harder. That could be why we ran out of steam. I don't know how we afford it but a couple more props are definitely needed. Also Jarrod is a massive loss.
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| Quote ="senoj"Some do not get it. There is no money.'"
Adeybull can you advance on that?
Its a long season and I believe the club with its irons in the fire can and will develop.
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| Quote ="senoj"Some do not get it. There is no money.'"
but we have money to tie up Gale whom I just don't rate at all.
I don't know the full facts,but if Gale knew Sammut was going and used that to leverage a deal for himself,fans should be more than a little miffed.
I've never seen him do anything out of the ordinary.
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| I can understand the frustrations and the worry must be that Cas weren't anywhere near their A game today - we were very poor and the scoreline flatters to deceive.
However, from a Cas perspective I thought Bulls played a near-perfect (in terms of errors and penalties) game. There was the odd one but I don't think it was anywhere near as significant as Cas in the first half.
And that's where the problem lies for me - you had most of the first half ball and failed to take any advantage and badly lack some creative spark and some pace. The spine of the team has been decimated with the loss of Langley, L'Estrange and Sammut and don't think replacements are of any near comparison in terms of quality.
Fitness took its toll in the final quarter and as the steam went, the ability to tackle also seemed to disappear. Whilst I can understand the panic button being pressed already, I don't think you are far off as a unit. You just need to find some zip, finesse and XFactor to replace Sammut and you'll do OK.
That's from my perspective anyway.
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| I really don't see any fitness issue.
If your pack weighs half a tanker less than the opposition, you have to do a ton more tackling.
If you keep on and on giving the opposition the ball, on your own 10, on the zero tackle, you wil not only have to do a shedload more tackling, you'll be doing it repeat set after repeat set.
If you keep conceding stupid penalties, you will yet again be doing extra tackling.
If you can't get a repeat set when attacking, you will have yet more tackling to do.
We did all that, and so it just stands to reason why we ended up running out of steam. We don't need to be fitter. We need to be smarter and rspect possession, so that we don't have to do an extra 50% of the normal workload. That's why we all looked buggered.
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| Quote ="Fully"I can understand the frustrations and the worry must be that Cas weren't anywhere near their A game today - we were very poor and the scoreline flatters to deceive.
However, from a Cas perspective I thought Bulls played a near-perfect (in terms of errors and penalties) game. There was the odd one but I don't think it was anywhere near as significant as Cas in the first half.
And that's where the problem lies for me - you had most of the first half ball and failed to take any advantage and badly lack some creative spark and some pace. The spine of the team has been decimated with the loss of Langley, L'Estrange and Sammut and don't think replacements are of any near comparison in terms of quality.
Fitness took its toll in the final quarter and as the steam went, the ability to tackle also seemed to disappear. Whilst I can understand the panic button being pressed already, I don't think you are far off as a unit. You just need to find some zip, finesse and XFactor to replace Sammut and you'll do OK.
That's from my perspective anyway.'"
I thought as already mentioned, Bradford had the best of it in the first half and perhaps into the 15 min spell of the second half. Decimated? not at all. There are clearly a lot of positives for the Bulls. As for Cas. I think they played there strengths and won. I would not be unhappy as a supporter. The negative is I think, Cas coming up against a powerful pack they would look a very different team. Congrats to Cas though
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| I thought you could see from early doors that, whilst the Bulls were a fair bit more creative ball in hand (including the brain farts...I think some of our guys tried too hard to try and compensate for light pack?) they were getting slowly ground down by a stronger and pretty workmanlike pack. Doing too much tackling, not helped by the brain farts. And Cas were making more yards at each PTB and were taking more stopping each time. This got worse in the second half, when Cas clearly realised they just had to keep wearing the Bulls down to grind out a result.
I said at the ground that had we had Carvell we could well have won that. It was only in the final quarter that we looked too tired, and Cas took advantage. Earlier on, THEY looked tired too. There was one occasion when nearly all their guys had hands on hips. But I think pack weight and too much unforced defending told in the end, and they just had to stick to the basics - as they did - to gain the spoils.
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| Olbison/Addy/Donaldson as second rows will not strike fear into any team,we had no attacking threat out wide, not to mention defence
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| Looks like FC sees it the same way most of us perceived it:
"We gave a few yardage errors," he said.
"I thought there was a time when we were ready to go, but came up with those errors and they scored and that knocked us down a bit.
"We got fatigued because we gave the ball over too often on the first and second plays.
"But I'm proud because I felt that we were fully committed - you can't fault the effort and that's what you want.
"Cas can play good football, but we have to keep our concentration more. We gave it back to them too cheaply in the second half."
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| Thought we competed on level terms for an hour but then no gas left in the tank of our forwards. Positive displays from Purcell and Gaskell and kear always puts a shift in. Think nas maybe needed more minutes on the pitch today as Donaldson and addy looked exhausted in last twenty mins. Suppose playing so many minutes is a bit new to them both and week on week that should improve as long as they don't get smashed up too much.
Not too disappointed and looking forward to Thursday ..... I have my tickets ...Coyb
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| Not good enough IMO we need to beat teams like Castleford/Wakefield/Widnes/London especially at home if we are to stay up (and yes I do realise it is the first game)
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Looks like FC sees it the same way most of us perceived it:
"We gave a few yardage errors," he said.
"I thought there was a time when we were ready to go, but came up with those errors and they scored and that knocked us down a bit.
"We got fatigued because we gave the ball over too often on the first and second plays.
"But I'm proud because I felt that we were fully committed - you can't fault the effort and that's what you want.
"Cas can play good football, but we have to keep our concentration more. We gave it back to them too cheaply in the second half."'"
Of course they were committed. On the whole safe tackling.
They had to overcompensate because they (CAS) had a better pack on the day to deal with. I am not sure FC is seeing what I am.
Its ok having a will of the wisp in the team but I am rather a structure, discipline, ordered, calm and technique person. Plays and more plays over different areas of the field. Mistakes are made trying too hard.
Scruton, Diskin and Kearney players for me today.
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| Quote ="miketaurus"Adeybull can you advance on that?'"
Well, it goes without saying that if I win Euromillions, things will start looking up almost immediately! I'll buy the club, of course; buy Wakefield and turn them into a bowling alley, after the fantastic support some of their supporters have given us; repay Sir Steve O'Connor and everyone else who helped us in the Pledge to Survive; give the fans of clubs who HAVE supported us - Like Warrington and Leeds - free admission to Odsal and free beers to boot; get some real ales in so they'll want to come; put a bloody lid over the terrace; and recruit the best managers I can lay my hands on to run the club. And put up a statue to Sir Trevor just inside the gates.
But, absent that, I can just hope and pray that the current ownership waknerage is resolved soonest. And that whoever IS pulling the levers by the end of the month is able to put some funds in to enable us to strengthen the team and ensure our survival.
Here's a thought: if 5,000 Bulls fans each chucked in £50, we'd have £1/4m. Maybe we could do something useful with that?
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