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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Well if that's a 'statement of intent', then the intention is mediocrity...'"
He might be okay in reserves
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Well if that's a 'statement of intent', then the intention is mediocrity...'"
I'm more interested in the FT deals TBH. Sam Hallas good start. When i was told, i was the same of "Jesus, another awful player" But at the end of the day, we're in L1, so we're going to have rubbish players. If he ends up being our fourth best prop, we're in trouble.Have to see what the end squad is. If Mendeika's, Macani's names are in there...
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| I was told Mendeika wants to leave but nobody wants him.
Davies is very poor IMO. I hope recruit better than him for next year.
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| But we are looking at players who would do a job in that particular division, not neccsarily who we would pick given a free choice and a fantastic budget. At the risk of starting a frenzy, I name two who I would have if we could get them, based on the same reasoning. One would be Paul Sykes/and or Murrell, who can still do a job, lead the backs as well as game manage. The other would be Richard Moore, a big bugger off type of prop, who would add some steel and nous and would look after the forwards.
So, there let the frenzy begin. Who would you choose?
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| All good choices Beechwood. We need to put together a side that doesn't get bullied and has plenty of nous to guide the young lads. So we need some experienced heads that can still do it in the spine positions. Moore would be alright for one if he remains a free man. Not sure about Smith at fullback. I suspect Chisholm will be off, so do we go with Keyes and Aston at halfback? A Brambani type player would be ideal.
We also need 3 hard nuts in the Moore/Alex Rowe type mould. These players are highly valued by their clubs so won't be easy to attract unless we pay well and show we mean business, have a proper coach etc.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"All good choices Beechwood. We need to put together a side that doesn't get bullied and has plenty of nous to guide the young lads. So we need some experienced heads that can still do it in the spine positions. Moore would be alright for one if he remains a free man. Not sure about Smith at fullback. I suspect Chisholm will be off, so do we go with Keyes and Aston at halfback? A Brambani type player would be ideal.
We also need 3 hard nuts in the Moore/Alex Rowe type mould. These players are highly valued by their clubs so won't be easy to attract unless we pay well and show we mean business, have a proper coach etc.'"
Totally agree with this tho if we can offer him enough I think we could keep chiz for onex season...why are we only picking part time championship player...plenty of 2nd tier antipodeans and the off super league player that would come gunna be a hybrid team you know
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"Totally agree with this tho if we can offer him enough I think we could keep chiz for onex season...why are we only picking part time championship player...plenty of 2nd tier antipodeans and the off super league player that would come gunna be a hybrid team you know'"
Is hybrid latin for
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Is hybrid latin for poop'"
I'm happy chalow decided to do that it's an unnecessary expense is full time...no point speculating who we are going to get.
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| Doesn't seem that we are going to recruit anybody that I would want to pay to see.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Doesn't seem that we are going to recruit anybody that I would want to pay to see.'"
Why do you have the 2018 team list in front of you?
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| Well, as a blast from the past, I got a letter from the liquidators of OK Bulls today, with the access codes for viewing the most recent liquidators report. I really can't be bothered just now. Maybe later.
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| I like how we are been bombarded with positive news
In order to hit the goal of 3000 tickets next month...
What a pile of doggy doo...
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| Went to legends Origin Legends game tonight. Can we not tempt some of these old blokes out of retirement. Sean Long, Lee Gilmour, Tommy Martyn, Chris Thorman, Richard Horne and RHP all looking very sharp still. Great evening of entertainment and Jimmy Lowes even got sent off.
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"I like how we are been bombarded with positive news
In order to hit the goal of 3000 tickets next month...
What a pile of doggy doo...'"
Well Sam Hallas signing is excellent news. Said in T&A yesterday Gibson & Smith were contracted for next year, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be here. If they are than that's 2 more good signings who will do well in L1. I's hard to Gage what sort of squad we will have this early. It will be a case of waiting until we have around 20 players signed up of what sort of team we will have. For example Davies been offered a P/T deal. That could be a very poor signing if the likes of Macani, Mendeika, Halafihi are signing up with him. But if we sign up a decent pack, then giving Davies a P/T deal isn't too bad. Same with Sam Hallas signing, while i'm very happy with that news, we could sign Sam Burgess and it wouldn't matter if we still have a right hand side of Macani, Mendeika, & C. Smith. Inevitably they will be poor players signing. For me i want to know who our new coach will be before this season finishes.
The challenge Chalmers will have is that there aren't many players in the current squad worthy of FT deals, those that are (Chisholm, Sironen, Campbell, Oakes) aren't likely to sign for us. For me i would offer mainly the younger players FT deals. Then we have a good young nucleus to build with. Get some rough, old seasoned PT players (someone mentioned Richard Moore earlier who would be perfect)
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| Campbell is leaving.
Agree with you Bull Mania.
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| I don't see why we can't hang on to Chisholm.
Who did we beat to his signature a couple of months ago.
Who signed him when we went bust and he was out of work - yes, Sheffield took him when nobody else signed him.
By the start of the season in only 5 months he may not even have played a game after a very serious knee injury.
He clearly has not been knocking back lucrative offers from lots of SL clubs and even Championship clubs otherwise he would not have been part time at Sheffield and then a doomed championship club. He reminds me a little of Sammut who seemed to have a reputation of winning matches but never played for a top club and struggled in lower leagues.
If Chisholm wasn't wanted last December why would he be in great demand right now with his knee the way it is.
If we do keep him and we put a decent squad together he will get a bag full of tries next season as long as his knee is OK and that is the worry with him for other clubs.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Well Sam Hallas signing is excellent news. Said in T&A yesterday Gibson & Smith were contracted for next year, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be here. If they are than that's 2 more good signings who will do well in L1. '"
Those on two-year deals have options in contract for either party (club or player) to terminate following relegation. This will mean that the player may well be interested in staying but the club could exercise the release clause and cut loose on cost basis.
To my knowledge Hallas, Tonga, Smith, Gibson and Chisholm are all on two year deals but I don't see us keeping anyone but Hallas. I think the club would be keen to keep Chissy but of there is a better offer elsewhere I think he'll jump ship.
The only thing I think is holding the club back is the decision of the re-structure, however unlikely it is to happen. If the RFL do switch it up and keep us in it, this could mean players the club wished to ditch have a contractual obligation and therefore unless there is a mutual agreement, we are stuck with them.
For me, Tonga and Gibson are expensive yet injury prone squad members we don't need. You could through Smith into the mix too.
As always, nobody can make a decision until the RFL decide which way the wind is blowing!!!
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| I think a big thing holding the club back must be the tribunal proceedings. If they are held liable to pay dozens of claimants thousands of pounds each (I have no idea of the amounts being claimed) that money will have to come from somewhere. We don't have any and we're not looking for investors so the only remaining plcae is the 2018 budget. Unless we get a payday loan from Provident to pay for any compo that might be awarded.
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"Those on two-year deals have options in contract for either party (club or player) to terminate following relegation. This will mean that the player may well be interested in staying but the club could exercise the release clause and cut loose on cost basis.
To my knowledge Hallas, Tonga, Smith, Gibson and Chisholm are all on two year deals but I don't see us keeping anyone but Hallas. I think the club would be keen to keep Chissy but of there is a better offer elsewhere I think he'll jump ship.
The only thing I think is holding the club back is the decision of the re-structure, however unlikely it is to happen. If the RFL do switch it up and keep us in it, this could mean players the club wished to ditch have a contractual obligation and therefore unless there is a mutual agreement, we are stuck with them.
For me, Tonga and Gibson are expensive yet injury prone squad members we don't need. You could through Smith into the mix too.
As always, nobody can make a decision until the RFL decide which way the wind is blowing!!!'"
Chisholm only signed til end of the season.
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| do you think that we may indeed already have an investor?
you would have to be a mad man to take a club on with no money to run it and no prospect of any, then say we don't need Money?..
Chalmers doesn't seem that bat $hit crazy to me?
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"do you think that we may indeed already have an investor?
you would have to be a mad man to take a club on with no money to run it and no prospect of any, then say we don't need Money?..
Chalmers doesn't seem that bat $hit crazy to me?
or am I just been over optimistic?'"
By the same token I think you'd have to say that any new 'investor' would be a little bit crazy too. It's hardly a solid investment in its normal sense, however you look at it. Unless someone knows of a big Bull's fan who has dropped a big win on the lottery recently?
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| I don't think anyone actually "invests in any RL club in the normal sense of "investment" - it's dead money.
Several do plough loads of money in, many more plough in what they can, but nobody is in it to make any money - quite the opposite.
Then come on down to the third division and try to reconcile being there in front of 200 people in a field, and there being an "investor" seeing that as an "investment". Can you? I can't.
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| According to the mysteriously leaked article last week
Mr and Mrs K still want it?
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| Daft question but has Keenan Tomlinson left the Bulls? And if so where has he gone? I remember him going on loan to London Skolars with Pickersgill but after they came back I have only see Pickersgill.
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