............after an earth-shatteringly vast total of 21 posts you '[ifinally have to admit[/i'??? Ever think you might have stayed silent too long?

Seriously, how did the 'the people's team' run out of money after all those years of 13k plus crowds, terrific sponsorship deals and SL wins?

Found today terribly concerning, didn't look like scoring a try even on the back of repeat sets and defence just leaking points. On the plus side I thought they played much better last week, so we know those players are capable of better than that.

One word : Dire.

We can't defend, we can't get over the tryline and we don't seem to have any sort of tactics.

We started very brightly (again) but (again) could not get over for the points. Then, as soon as Stains got their hands on the ball and made the break they were in. And that was not the last time today they scored after a prolonged but ultimately fruitless period of pressure from us.

I thought Stains, and especially Pryce, were a lot better today than some are suggesting. Some of the skills we saw were I suggest, in a different league.

But, regardless of all that - IMO we looked bloody clueless. It became awful to watch. I don't think there was any lack of effort, except maybe when nearer the end some players clearly gave up. Its just that we made crazy errors (again), looked like as a team we were far from having gelled (again, although maybe there is still time...), got crucified round the ruck (again), seemed completely unable to break their defence (again) but conceded easy yards and seemed unacceptably poor in OUR defence (again).

That's how it looked to me, anyway. Bitterly bitterly disappointed, and not a little shocked.

The chairman said in the programme today "...(the team) know they'll need to be on form, error-free, more clinical and tighter in defence to be sure of getting the points."

Peter, the trouble is, its clear they neither knew no such thing or were incapable of delivering on those entirely reasonable requirements. So I suggest you need to sort it?

Another game, another shocking performance! It truly is dire! And to be honest, we didn't deserve to sore any points today!

To have numerous sets within the saints 20 and not ome away with anything clearly shows where the main issue is, who he hell has that little bit of magic to break down a defense, and do something different..........or do we expect Langley to bulldoze his way over the line every set??????

Go ask Caisley and Caddick, and mention a Mr Harris as your supplementary. They know one of the major reasons. And the ongoing consequences.

And go ask Caisley how much money we were making in the years when he was in office. Although I'm not sure you'd necessarily hear the words "unsustainable losses year-on-year" passing his lips, but you never know.

And go ask the game as a whole whether, after Bulls' early lead in matters commercial, marketing and financial, many other clubs have now not just caught up but have had the financial resources to move well past what Bradford are now able to deliver. For example, have a chat with Mr Davy (to name but one) and ask where his club would have been without his money?

Sad, but simples

One thing I did notice, James Graham using he legs to try and clamp the defenders legs so they cannot clear the ruck. Obviously a ploy to try and milk a penalty, I hope this is picked up and he is penalised for it.

I raise you a Stuart Reardon washing line tackle and hope he is reprimanded for it.

I raise you Fozzard running in with the forearm to the face and hope he is reprimanded for it.

In the finer points of WWE craft I think it's known as a '[iclothesline[/i'.

numerous things missed by officials on both sides today. Reardon's was a classic, forward passes, both sides offside....

However we were bab!

Absolute crap like last week we had so many chances to score and managed just one try and when Saints had the ball they did us over every time and worrying thing is we had a full team out their and Saints wernt even that good. Even if we make the Play-Offs this season I think Peter Hood needs to get his finger out and get rid of McNamara at the end of the season.

We would be alot worse off without Ken Davy, fact.
But be honest, you could throw all the money in the world at any sporting club but unless the everyone from the academy players right up to the CEO pulls their weight and looks after the pennies, it's all gonna go Pete Tong.
It's not just a case of piling cash into it, it's about management, employing the right people and having a good business brain.

Another fact, there has been unrest at Odsal for some time now and Macca isn't getting the squad playing for him. Would be good for us if he stayed, but he sure as hell ain't doing you any favours.

Spot on if today's game is anything to go by.

Indeed. McManus is another in that mould. But you have to have the cash to start with?

Diabolical. Half the players looked like they couldn't be d. Looking at the squad we have on paper, we are not that bad, so what's the explanation?

I am beginning to have my suspicions now....

Can't be d to look at all the posts but will assume its all the usual breast beating and angst!
Ist half the ref and line were in Stains favour and the Bulls let it get to them
2nd half we came and tried for 5 mins then dropped our heads again!

As we are officially bottom of the pile the only way is up, and up it will be, whether it starts to happen on Fri against a Cas side that lost to Wire" will remain to be seen!

A decent Stains side of old would have put 60-80 points on the board today against the way the Bulls played so they've got their own problems as
well!

We,ve all been here and seen that and should by now have got the T shirt!

Twill be a season of more rubbish and bollox not only the field but on the forums as well!

The problem is with Bradford is that your squad on paper does not look good imo. Your signings have been poor once again despite what your own fans think. I have been slated for saying you will not make the 8 again and having watched your first 2 games. My prediction is looking sweet!

Your Australian signings are not good eough imo, especially Kearney and L Estrange. The worrying thing is that if you pick up a couple of injurys, you really will be swimming up the wrong stream.

However, i really do hope you turn it around. I have loads of respect for you club. I loved the Bulls - Saints rivalry (robably because we always got one over you in the finals).

Good luck.

How much have you actually seen of these two?

Go post your opinions on the Saints board, we want to criticize our own players so leave us to it.

I don't think Mystic Eddie is one to say "I told you so.." but...

It's getting harder and harder to disagree with mystic eddie these days.....



....what am I saying?

Our major problem is that the squad is just too lightweight. We must have easily the smallest team in SL. Kearney, L'Estrange and Hall may be decent players but they're all small for their position and have made an already small squad even smaller.

We have very little go forward and struggled to hold Saints and Giants bigger players. When we do make the tackles our opponents are able to offload fairly easily. It also doesnt help that not many of our players are feisty aggresive types that play above their weight.

We might improve when the grounds get faster but we're always going to lose out in an arm wrestle.

The depressing thing is that although there is clear room for improvement, not many of our players are going to grow 3 or 4 inches and put on a couple of stones of muscle over the course of this season.

IMO we are soft.

What a poor game and Bulls performance with no sign of were the improvement is going to gome from. God help us

The skill level of the players is pathetic and it doesn't go unnoticed that when the chips are down so are the players heads. The crowd at certain stages today where laughing it was that bad. How on earth is the coach not being held accountable for the rugby we've witnessed over the last three seasons. Going to Odsal is now a thoroughly miserable experience.