how childish you are.

The bit in green is quite sad, Representing the poor and supporting the struggle equality is the basis of methodism, socialism, the Quakers, the Trade Union movement and mother Theresa. No doubt they are all motivated like me by jealousy!



But with your attitude i am sure you would make a good salesman as a loan shark.
The bit i highlighted in red sums you up. A responsible lender would and should not lend to someone in that position.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Not sure whether you are disagreeing with my point (you usually do...

) or even (surely not?) agreeing with it?

But I agree with yours.

And, in the same vein, capitalism does not exploit and impoverish the vulnerable; [ipeople[/i who abuse capitalism exploit and impoverish the vulnerable. Society does not care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable; [ipeople[/i (including perhaps Durham Giant?) care for the disadvantaged and the vulnerable.

Oh I am sorry I didn't realise the rules of a debate . If you disagree with someone then there reply is childish .Also I am so glad you can figure everything about a person from one post. But add I can see that your inability to take on other people's opinions has made going any further with this pointless. I am sure that will make your weekend

I am kind of agreeing I think. When bad things happen, society likes to blame everyone and everything apart from (usually) the people who do it. At some point, people have to take responsibilty for their actions.

Having said that though, I am uneasy about this sponsorship. On a selfish level, as a Bulls fan, I welcome it. On a more general level, I don't like what Provident do, but my argument is more with the society that leaves people in such desperate situations that they use the services of organisations such as Provident. I would help anyone of my friends or family, if I could, to stop them using such companies. But it does not make them the devil incarnate.
The devil incarnate sits much higher up the food chain.
I do however, hope that Provident are serious when they say they are wanting to give something back to the community. We will see.

I unlike Durham Giant am not worthy, I would have to be Smug, Righteous, Pious and Moralistic, so I will say thank you Provident for supporting my team.
I may wear a hairshirt to attone for my sins but then again I think I will buy a Bulls one.

Did Barcelona advertise UNICEF for free ? If so then good on them. If not then i wouldn't be happy with any of my donations being used to sponsor such a big global brand name as Barcelona football club.

At the time Barcelona actually paid to have the UNICEF logo on their shirts. Having fallen on harder times, Barca are now sponsored by the Qatar Foundation, which is non profit.

I did wander when i first saw UNICEF on their shirts. Thanks for clearing that up.

Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048

Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048

Quote ="Durham Giant"Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048'" No use to going to that smug moralising institution they are a busted flush of hypocrits.

Quote ="Durham Giant"Here is the link for the BBC documentary. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/ another link, www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19748048'" No use to going to that smug moralising institution they are a busted flush of hypocrits.

No mate, it meets every criteria. You seem to have decided that there is good use of capital for making money and bad use of capital for making money, and if it's bad use then it doesn't get to wear the badge.

That's nonsense.

It is what it is irrespective of the moral judgement we make of it.

I'm not making any judgement on them as a sponsor here. The example you gave of people dying on roads, and is it the driver's fault or the network's? Well it's the driver's. They have personal responsibility for their actions, but those accidents are a part of the system in place today no matter who caused it. I don't blame capitalism for the existence of these companies. It's not a necessary condition that they exist. But they do exist, and they're part of the deal as it stands today. We don't get to pretend they're a whole other thing entirely.

I said no such thing. "Capitalism" can no more do good or bad things than can any other amorphous concept or system. It is people who do good or bad things, in it's name or using or abusing its system. Same as my roads analogy.

That's why I said "seem", because I couldn't think of any other reason to disavow this financial services company from the capitalist family. It is what it is.

I will be buying and wearing the new bulls shirt and I also would like to thank Provident for supporting our team, the company is no worse than the banks that have helped put this country in the state it is in now. Whilst you may disagree with their work practices it is a legal company trading in the UK and employing a lot of people in Bradford.

I will be wearing the new shirt because it is my club's shirt. Design, quality and other issues are totally irrelevant.

I always thought it was rappers?

People kill rappers?

Tupac and Biggie didn't commit suicide.

I have enjoyed reading the hand wringing socialists in this thread. On the basis of their argument we shouldn't have accepted JCT600 as a sponsor as they arrange car credit that folk can't afford. Nor should we have encouraged Tetley to sponsor the main stand knowing what alcohol can do to your liver.

All I know is we have a Labour MP heavily involved in running the club and clearly he doesn't see a problem.

As with most things, if in doubt blame Thatcher!

This thread has just been ruined by the usual plethora of pompous bores IMO.

If you don't like the sponsor then tough titties. It is here for 3 years, it has safeguarded our team and it may well help make us successful again.

I would take a sponsorship from the Jimmy Savile Foundation if it meant us winning trophies again.

In fact, I hope we get Wonga on the sleeves, Cheque Centre on the back (top) and the Money Shop on the bottom. That would really annoy people.

They choke to death on the plastic packaging?

Nar, people having differing opinions are what good threads are made of. It's been ruined by the fact that people on RLFans tend not to be able to argue their way out of a paper bag, and confuse repetition of content free, straw man nonsense with debate.

Anyway, compared to where we were just a few weeks ago, I think it's brilliant that we're able to nitpick between ourselves over whether we think a sponsor is appropriate. Who knows, soon we might end up actually having threads about what actually happens on the field!?!

Yeah that pretty much sums it up for me too.

Well, as I said on VT, I've watched BBC's Panorama and it was very Michael Moore-esq. Edited with music ques to fit an agenda and lacking in anything other than the thinnest of flimsy arguments.