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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Indeed. I just looked back on the thread briefly, and Biffer has completely ignored the following from M@islebugs:
Answer came there none. Biffer won't do anything other than make dark hints, and slag people off. He is a waste of time and I agree there is nothing to be achieved by continuing this, except perhaps for fans of cryptic puzzles. Which I'm not.'"
If you would care to check, I named the organisation, those linked to it & employed by it that are at the Bulls, along with pointing out that the council official who signed off on a land & cash deal approved, for the very same people, a loan of public money for Bradford Bulls.
That you care not to look is a sign of your own malignancy & desire not to have to face reality.
Perhaps Khan & Co need to look at the honesty, open ness & transparency being shown by Wakefield Wildcats at present. that's how to do it.
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| Quote ="Stul"Oh you're kidding.
I've got a cracker about Nigel Wood, Sue Pollard, a dwarf and two donkeys.'"
I reckon Nige ate the lot of 'em. Am I right?
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"If you would care to check, I named the organisation, those linked to it & employed by it that are at the Bulls, along with pointing out that the council official who signed off on a land & cash deal approved, for the very same people, a loan of public money for Bradford Bulls.
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Which organisation? - You didn't answer.
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it? - You didn't answer.
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get? - You didn't answer.
Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
Quote ="BiffasBoys"That you care not to look is a sign of your own malignancy & desire not to have to face reality. '"
Nope, it's a sign that I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. If you have something to say, say it.
I would be interested for an explanation of what "my own malignancy" could possibly be, though?
And why it would be you think I have a "desire" not to "face reality" - what is this "reality" that I desire not to face, and can you spell it out, instead of your tiresome cryptic bullshiit?
Quote ="BiffasBoys"Perhaps Khan & Co need to look at the honesty, open ness & transparency being shown by Wakefield Wildcats at present. that's how to do it.'"
Or perhaps they need to look at the price of pork bellies in Zaire, for all the relevance it has to anything. "We have no money, we can't get any money, unless somebody else gives us money, we'll sell more players"? It is frank, but not my personal idea of what our club should be doing. Plus, that is more or less similar to what our previous regime did. That didn't go very well.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Which organisation? - You didn't answer.
I did
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it? - You didn't answer.
I did
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get? - You didn't answer.
Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
I pointed to where all the info could be found. It's all in the public domain. Why should I help anyone with their lack of knowledge?
Nope, it's a sign that I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. If you have something to say, say it.
I would be interested for an explanation of what "my own malignancy" could possibly be, though?
Pathetic jibe?
And why it would be you think I have a "desire" not to "face reality" - what is this "reality" that I desire not to face, and can you spell it out, instead of your tiresome cryptic bullshiit?
You can't handle the truth
Or perhaps they need to look at the price of pork bellies in Zaire, for all the relevance it has to anything. "We have no money, we can't get any money, unless somebody else gives us money, we'll sell more players"? It is frank, but not my personal idea of what our club should be doing. Plus, that is more or less similar to what our previous regime did. That didn't go very well
Who did the last lot sell? Pork bellies in Zairean? Bit like Sutcliffe's tripe about investment from Qatar!!
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| They ought to be a winding up order on this subject before one of you dies!
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"
I pointed to where all the info could be found. It's all in the public domain. Why should I help anyone with their lack of knowledge?
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You set homework for anyone reading your bilge, and don't get why that's barking?
As I said, I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. I repeat: if you have something to say, say it.
Quote ="BiffasBoys"You can't handle the truth '"
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"Ha ha. How can you expect to learn unless you go out & find the information? I don't include the Bulls website in that information stream
Say it? The Bulls are a club riddled with rotten politicians & their paymasters & will be a nothing side for years to come
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Which organisation? - You didn't answer.
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Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
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1. Trident Bradford
2. Joshi & OK are directors of Trident, Greenwood was vice chair until he resigned
3. £50m of public funds
4. West Yorkshire Police
5. Allegations of fraud and misappropriation of funds
HTH.
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| Nice to see OK saving money by employing his waiters and pot washers as stewards too
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| Quote ="Derwent"1. Trident Bradford
2. Joshi & OK are directors of Trident, Greenwood was vice chair until he resigned
3. £50m of public funds
4. West Yorkshire Police
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HTH.'"
Labour council leader David Green was cabinet member for regeneration who waved through the scheme & funding. He also approved the unsecured £200k council tax payers cash loan to OK Bulls, owned by Omar Khan. Joshi, Greenwood & other Labour politicians/supporters on the board at the club.
Of course I've presented no facts at all & there must be an agenda!
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| Quote ="Derwent"1. Trident Bradford
2. Joshi & OK are directors of Trident, Greenwood was vice chair until he resigned
3. £50m of public funds
4. West Yorkshire Police
5. Allegations of fraud and misappropriation of funds
HTH.'"
That doesn't help at all. The general tone of the idiot who I blocked was that OK, GS and RW were all some sort of shysters, and muttering darkly about things which he would never dare spell out.
If the mudslinging is indeed meant to have its roots in Trident, then let's have a quick look at what is known.
A 33 year old man was arrested on suspicion of fraud. That man is known to be Zubare Khan, who had been assistant chief officer for 2 years but resigned in December 2011 shortly before the police announced their investigation.
The figure of £50m seems to be the sum of what government money had gone to Trident over a 10 year period. Trident did spend a whole lot of money on fulfilling its role, and as nobody else appears to have been arrested, and as this Zubare Khan was in a senior position for 2 years, (though I understand he had been a part of Trident in a more junior role for the whole period) I am completely baffled why the total funding over a decade is being thrown into the discussion, unless it is for dramatic effect.
There is NO suggestion that the police have investigated misappropriation of £50m of public funds and anyone who says they did is simply lying.
So far as I am aware not a single allegation has been made against either Omar Khan, Joshi or Greenwood, and none of them have resigned from the board of the organisation nor been pushed out. I don't know the current makeup of Trident but do know that Ian Greenwood did NOT resign. He relinquished his position as vice-chairman, but remained on the Board at that time.
All this would seem a tad odd, if Trident's board had any suspicion that anyone else still on it may have been involved in financial irregularities.
In fact, it was reported that it was Trident itself that called in the police to investigate. A report to the Council (which at the time was the accountable body for any misspent money) said:
Quote "Bradford Trident Ltd has recently identified that a member of their staff team may have been defrauding the company. They informed the Council and the police of their concerns and the police are now actively pursuing this matter."'"
West Yorkshire Police are NOT investigating. They wrapped up their investigation in the spring, and the only individual known to have been investigated is the said Zubare Khan. A file was passed to CPS for consideration in April of this year to decide whether they can successfully charge Zubare Khan. As nobody else was arrested nor does the report involve any other individual then it seems safe to say the police have no grounds to suspect anyone other than Zubare Khan. Are you suggesting otherwise, or that OK, GS, VJ or any of the Bulls management are or were under some sort of police investigation?
So, I would ask, what justification is there for the sort of mudslinging, vilification and condemnation by innuendo and implication that has gone on in this thread, mainly by the moron I thankfully no longer have to read?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"That doesn't help at all. The general tone of the idiot who I blocked was that OK, GS and RW were all some sort of shysters, and muttering darkly about things which he would never dare spell out.
If the mudslinging is indeed meant to have its roots in Trident, then let's have a quick look at what is known.
A 33 year old man was arrested on suspicion of fraud. That man is known to be Zubare Khan, who had been assistant chief officer for 2 years but resigned in December 2011 shortly before the police announced their investigation.
The figure of £50m seems to be the sum of what government money had gone to Trident over a 10 year period. Trident did spend a whole lot of money on fulfilling its role, and as nobody else appears to have been arrested, and as this Zubare Khan was in a senior position for 2 years, (though I understand he had been a part of Trident in a more junior role for the whole period) I am completely baffled why the total funding over a decade is being thrown into the discussion, unless it is for dramatic effect.
There is NO suggestion that the police have investigated misappropriation of £50m of public funds and anyone who says they did is simply lying.
So far as I am aware not a single allegation has been made against either Omar Khan, Joshi or Greenwood, and none of them have resigned from the board of the organisation nor been pushed out. I don't know the current makeup of Trident but do know that Ian Greenwood did NOT resign. He relinquished his position as vice-chairman, but remained on the Board at that time.
All this would seem a tad odd, if Trident's board had any suspicion that anyone else still on it may have been involved in financial irregularities.
In fact, it was reported that it was Trident itself that called in the police to investigate. A report to the Council (which at the time was the accountable body for any misspent money) said:
West Yorkshire Police are NOT investigating. They wrapped up their investigation in the spring, and the only individual known to have been investigated is the said Zubare Khan. A file was passed to CPS for consideration in April of this year to decide whether they can successfully charge Zubare Khan. As nobody else was arrested nor does the report involve any other individual then it seems safe to say the police have no grounds to suspect anyone other than Zubare Khan. Are you suggesting otherwise, or that OK, GS, VJ or any of the Bulls management are or were under some sort of police investigation?
So, I would ask, what justification is there for the sort of mudslinging, vilification and condemnation by innuendo and implication that has gone on in this thread, mainly by the moron I thankfully no longer have to read?'"
Mudslinging, vilification & condemnation?
If you choose to bury your head in the sand, that's your call.
When the Bulls go pear shaped again, I won't come back & say I told you so.....
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| So hopefully you will just eff off
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I thought the likes of him were to be found on the T&A forum. I thought the mods here got rid, do something please he is a troll!
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| Am I alone in finding some of this interesting?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Am I alone in finding some of this interesting?'"
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| Quote ="tigertot"Am I alone in finding some of this interesting?'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You're from Ilkley, paint drying is a highlight to you lot isn't it?'"
As long as it's pink rinse.
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"Mudslinging, vilification & condemnation?
If you choose to bury your head in the sand, that's your call.
When the Bulls go pear shaped again, I won't come back & say I told you so.....'"
If Bradford Bulls had been relegated to the bottom division (as I advocated should be the case for any club going bust) we wouldn't have had all this trouble.
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| Wow this thread is bringing them all out
Who's next? Inside Man? Wire Quin?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
The figure of £50m seems to be the sum of what government money had gone to Trident over a 10 year period. Trident did spend a whole lot of money on fulfilling its role, and as nobody else appears to have been arrested, and as this Zubare Khan was in a senior position for 2 years, (though I understand he had been a part of Trident in a more junior role for the whole period) I am completely baffled why the total funding over a decade is being thrown into the discussion, unless it is for dramatic effect.
There is NO suggestion that the police have investigated misappropriation of £50m of public funds and anyone who says they did is simply lying.
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Calm down, I simply answered your question. You asked how much public money the organisation in question had got - the answer is £50m or thereabouts. Nowhere did I suggest or imply that this was the amount under investigation. If I have misinterpreted your question then I apologise, but perhaps you should have been a bit clearer as to what you were referring to.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
So far as I am aware not a single allegation has been made against either Omar Khan, Joshi or Greenwood, and none of them have resigned from the board of the organisation nor been pushed out. I don't know the current makeup of Trident but do know that Ian Greenwood did NOT resign. He relinquished his position as vice-chairman, but remained on the Board at that time.
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I didn't say there had been any allegations against those people, you're making that up so you can have a rant. Greenwood is not on the board of Trident now, so unless he was sacked then he resigned. Nobody is suggesting that he resigned due to any impropriety.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
West Yorkshire Police are NOT investigating. '"
Semantics, they WERE investigating, I wasn't aware that it had concluded. Mea culpa.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
Are you suggesting otherwise, or that OK, GS, VJ or any of the Bulls management are or were under some sort of police investigation?
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Erm, no I am not suggesting anything of the sort. How you can draw that conclusion from what I wrote is beyond me. Basically, you asked 5 questions and I gave 5 answers, I did not suggest, imply or otherwise infer anything from those answers. You made the rest up in your own head.
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| Quote ="Derwent"Calm down, I simply answered your question. You asked how much public money the organisation in question had got - the answer is £50m or thereabouts. Nowhere did I suggest or imply that this was the amount under investigation. If I have misinterpreted your question then I apologise, but perhaps you should have been a bit clearer as to what you were referring to.
I didn't say there had been any allegations against those people, you're making that up so you can have a rant. Greenwood is not on the board of Trident now, so unless he was sacked then he resigned. Nobody is suggesting that he resigned due to any impropriety.
Semantics, they WERE investigating, I wasn't aware that it had concluded. Mea culpa.
Erm, no I am not suggesting anything of the sort. How you can draw that conclusion from what I wrote is beyond me. Basically, you asked 5 questions and I gave 5 answers, I did not suggest, imply or otherwise infer anything from those answers. You made the rest up in your own head.'"
Greenwood was on the pay roll at Bradford Trident. There is practically nothing to show for that £50m. It was a 'jobs for the boys' scheme.
Stick a fork in the Bulls, they are done.
What's that saying about protesting too much
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Yup.
When the Broncos went under pre Harlequins, rules were brought in to prevent a club simply re-forming & carrying on
RFL owns tOdsal lease so the rules went in the bin.
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