You can't afford your squad! How can you think you can, when you can't pay the rest of the staff?

The business is still running, yet you rely on advances of money from the RFL and on key staff volunteering to work for free.

What is the biggest single drain on your cash flow then? Any business in trouble would cut any costs it can to stay alive, including laying off staff.

I'm not concerned about how much selling players on would raise - it's about reducing your outgoings to match your income.

You are being artificially supported, allowing you to ignore the need to cut your cloth accordingly and seem to think there is some glory in it!

Are you totally thick? The club is in an unfunded administration. The RFL and the administrator between them have decided, for reasons best known to themselves, to take the courses of action they have. How about going and annoying the hell out of THEM rather than spouting off a load of ill-informed bile on here?

It seems widely believed, including by myself, that when the administrator sacked the non-playing staff it would only be a matter of days before a Phoenix miraculously appeared. For whatever reasons - and we will probably have to wait for the history books to get the whole tale - it never quite worked out that way. How about you go ask THEM why that was, and why we have been carrying on as we have been ever since? And make yourself marginally useful?

Well your abuse is really useful Adey, thanks for that.

The business, under the guidance of the administrator, is still operating. There is income and expenditure - they do not balance!

You think the performance of a team you can't afford, is glorious and your "finest hour" - it's embarrassing!

As a finest hour, you must think it's right up there with 1964.

If you can't reply without abusing me, don't reply!

Another one that won't address the response, but just sticks with it's broken record regardless. You can't debate with this sort.

The adversity that they are playing through is no fault of the current players or coaching/support staff, so If some on here want to regard their current performance as their finest hour, who the hell are you to tell them they should not?

It most definitely is not the finest hour of all the major shareholders who collectively HAVE brought this situation about. And a plague on all their houses for their acts of commission or omission for which history will justifiably hammer them. But that is nothing to do with the fans or the players or the staff. So if you re so bloody clever, why not go and take up your obsession with those who are responsible, not play the big keyboard warrior berating those who are neither to blame nor can realistically influence what is happening?

And to suggest I can't debate the point!!!

Your post prior to that offerered nothing in discussion points that I had made - that if you can't afford to pay your key staff e.g. the coach, how can you be allowed to artificially maintain a squad that you, by definition, cannot afford?

Yes, it is down to the actions of the RFL/administrator, not the fans; does that mean it is not worthy of debate or opinion ON A FORUM?

To revel in the "glory" of on field achievements that you have gained through the advantage of having a squad you can't afford, is an offense to every other club who are working with squads within their means.

You can't pretend to be able to afford this squad, when you are in admin and can't afford to pay the coaching staff - or indeed mark your own pitch!

I rest my case.

The language you use to post with suggests you're a bit up your own backside. That goes hand in hand with why you're sticking to this rubbish despite clearly not knowing what you're talking about.

The administrator can't lay off anyone with a superleague contract because they're protected and he has to pay them in full. He can't sell any because the other clubs decided between each other not to make offers for them. The only offer we've had was a written offer from Warrington for Bateman long before the club went into administration. This is all on record and easy to find you ill informed gob sh173.

Please do a bit of research before making a complete pratt of yourself on here.

I don't know about anyone else but I can't wait to see the published accounts that prove every other club worked to an operating profit this season.

Adey - just looked back over all your posts to page 8 - you haven't at any point made a "case", that addresses the points made.

Macc - Not sure what you mean about my "language" - sorry if it threatens you. But hey, at last, a possible explanation as to why the squad has been kept together! The SL contract rules seems plausible (soccer has something similar), but it seems this is only players then??

As to research - I hope you don't mean the forums!! Not reliable.

Working within means, does not mean working at a profit, just that you can pay your bills. Which Bulls couldn't. And still can't. If you could you would be paying Potter,

Oh and don't avoid the AUP to swear at me and abuse me!

And you have totally ignored anything that anyone has tried to tell you, and continued with your broken record bile aimed at everyone except those either responsible or in a position to affect the outcome. That is not debate. It is just throwing your weight around because you feel you can. That is the case I rest.

Only Macc has suggested anything to counter the points I have made. His point re contract status seems plausible - the only way contracts would have been ended, would be if Bulls ceased to exist and no-one wants that. Feel for Potter if that contract status doesn't extend to coaching staff.

Telling me I am wrong and calling me names is not "making a case" Adey.

I am more than happy to admit I am "wrong"to hold my opinion if you can show me how.

It's in the superleague contracts and as part of the SL operating rules. If the administrator hadn't had funds to pay the players the club would have folded. The consequences of this would have been well bad mid season for the whole of Rugby League. Especially when SL are looking to find a new title sponsor from next season. But to one eyed morons the advance on central funding that every other club got was down to us getting special treatment. Nothing to do with ensuring all fixtures were fulfilled to ensure the intergrity of the competition for this season.

The staff are unaffected by this so were laid off. Nigel Wood went on record a month or so ago about how the other clubs had agreed not to make offers for Bulls players so there's nothing the admin can do on that front. So direct your bile at them.

Sorry but it's exactly the same. Only two or three clubs live within their means. Director loans at some other clubs are more than what the Bulls owe so this holier than thou prudence rubbish we are constantly subjected to by fans of other clubs is getting boring.

I think you'll find there are a lot of businesses out their paying bills on the never never at the moment yet people who have no idea what it's like to try and run a business when times are hard suddenly become experts and trot out this ethical crap.

Whatever has gone on in running the club right or wrong is in no way the fault of us fans, the players, the staff or any of the volunteers involved in some really good work at Odsal. The last few months have been extremely hard and to be in the position we are now on the field and the feeling on the terraces is something great. Your argument is bogus it's not offensive to anyone just small mindedness that brings this bile our way.

There's nothing artificial about it. The RFL are a real organisation who need to run a real comp. The RFL decided it was better to forward the club's TV money than see,
1, The club not fulfil its fixtures
2, Players made redundant

You don't like it but you don't have the responsibility of running the game either.

Macc - I appreciate your explanation - I can see the sense in much that you say.

You should leave out digs such as bogus, small-mindedness, one-eyed, bile & crap; don't belittle the opinion of others, just because you don't agree or don't like it.

The rest of your post makes some sense and is welcomed.

Is this the right point mention that this team, which we are apparently overpaying, and is giving us such a tremendous unfair advantage over everyone else, was tipped to finish bottom of the league by at least one pundit (I wont say 'expert') on Sky?

Still, even that person's limited knowledge is way beyond that of many on here these days..

I pointed out the same to the said pundit on twitter, attaching a link to Heath's comments in the T&A. She, oops, meant he.. said we should be thanking him/her for the giving the team inspiration!! (all in good humour, bare in mind!)

To be fair to said 'Skyspert', every team seemed to have recruited well and though I always felt we'd be around the eight, I can understand why we might have been picked as there were no obvious candidates and (s)he maybe didn't want to put the boot in on the one obvious favourite, the new boys, who were always going to struggle early doors. It was probably done with a blindfold and pin.

Maybe (s)he should stick to finding the best baby change facilities...

She did predict a top 8 finish for us, just a year early...

dboy. stadium costs were much higher than most other clubs, but I cannot imagine Guilfoyle spending any money on that. so that plus the coaching and admin staff will be a big cut in cash outflow. Most clubs will be getting by cash flow wise at this point in the season on sky money and sugar daddy funding, as the season ticket spoils will have been paid out and the turnstile ticket sales wont cover the bills. So I dont think that at this moment we are in a significantly worse position than most other clubs, other than we lack a sugar daddy.

And the factors leading to what you call overspending have been discussed ad nauseam here, hence the reaction to your simplistic statements. is it a truism or a trite-ism to say that cash inflows and outflows should match. Whichever, the devil is in the detail.

You would have finished bottom. You were just lucky to go bankrupt & generate some team spirit.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda



To be fair we've stuck around the same area in the league all season - though with a six point deduction, without which we would have been two or three spots higher.

Did the deduction/situation lead to a greater esprit de corps or did we just get our injuries early and gradually regain troops as we've gone on? Who can tell?

There seems to be some bitterness from fax\wakey\cas fans on here. Made me chuckle.

If I was a fine, I'd be bitter too. All they ever do is get imposed on people, who always just whinge and moan about it. Not easy being a fine.

Kyle Briggs has signed a permanent deal at Fev.

Edited my post

dam fingers

I'm a fine & so is my wife.