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| Quote ="M@islebugs"You want me to go find the evidence to support your theory? Normally its common practice on RLfans that the poster making a case does the legwork themselves, particularly when calling the people 'shysters' and clearly inferring Vipin Joshi, Ian Greenwood, Gerry Sutcliffe and Omar Khan were linked to the misappropriation of funds from Bradford Council via Bradford Trident. You also referred to this matter being under investigation. I'm not asking for forensic detail, just who's being investigated by whom, and for what. Is there a link, a newspaper article, anything?
It's all juicy stuff and I'm keen to read it but so far all we've got appears to be late payment of a tax bill.'"
I didn't put forward a theory, I pointed out facts. I didn't mention misappropriation. Khan & his people are, in my opinion, shysters & not to be trusted.
Go on the T&A website and search Bradford Trident. You'll see a nice picture of current Bradford Council leader David Green with among others Vipin Joshi in a piece about handing over public money & land to Trident.
Another Bulls board member, Ian Greenwood was employed by the same group. Khan down as a trustee too.
All on the board at Bulls who have an unsecured public money loan approved by David Green.
It's all out there in the public domain.
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| Quote ="vbfg"A winding up order.'"
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So let me see, you never posted before, but you have read the forum as a guest without ever joining, for maybe years. Avidly, since you are able to remember and indeed cast aspersions about a poster who hasn't posted since April.
You "know" all this sh;t, but you never thought to barge in and spill the beans, and save us all from ourselves and from our evil rulers till just recently. Not, for example, when OK and GS first came on the scene. Not last season. Not at the start of this season. But now.
So disinterested have you previously been that you only bothered joining RLFans two days ago. Then suddenly, in a Damascene moment, you felt the overwhelming urge to ride on to RAB, and spew accusations, insults and libels around like a lawn sprinkler, as you suddenly want us to 'know the truth'. How am I doing? Have I got the gist so far?'"
I read all the RL forums. There are one or two on each forum who appear to speak with sense & balance on their own clubs. As far as this forum goes it was Adeybull in particular. I hadn't realised it was so long since he had posted, but the point of him being the most knowledgeable still stands.
The HMRC issue has only surfaced in the last few days. That's what made me decide to join the site & the discussion on this thread.
Simple
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"I read all the RL forums. There are one or two on each forum who appear to speak with sense & balance on their own clubs. As far as this forum goes it was Adeybull in particular. I hadn't realised it was so long since he had posted, but the point of him being the most knowledgeable still stands.
The HMRC issue has only surfaced in the last few days. That's what made me decide to join the site & the discussion on this thread.
Simple'"
Bollocks, bull, piffle & codswallop.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Indeed you do.
Come on then, share your suspicions. What do you not have the cojones to accuse me of?
Correct. I do not know the facts. Just commenting on what was reported in the local media (in Gawthorpe-gate) but subsequwntly not denied by the club. In the case of Jay Willey, I did, of course, merely comment about her length of tenure, not the ins and outs of the case. We know the length of her service so it is indeed a fact.
Don't be so silly. What you know about me in order to enable you to make such a claim is curious. Like you say, stick to facts.
Ryan Whitcut would be better served getting his job done properly rather than spending time on social media. If he was not so distracted by what others had to say then he maybe would not forget to pay the bills.
Ok. What exactly is your definition of a fan?
PS, I see you ignored the "Inconvenient Truths" about the club I posted. Is this what a "real fan" does?'"
Again, you comments show that it isn't me that needs a reality check.
I would suggest that rather than suggest I don't have any balls, lets just say I have a bit of sense not to accuse you of anything directly. Lets just say I think your comments against the current ownership have sinister undertones.
Comments on what has been gossiped about are not productive. Glad you accept you're not in full possession of the facts but it is grossly unfair to hold them against the club... again you don't seem to have much of a problem doing this.
Have you ever used social media? I dont see how you can accuse someone of ignoring their job because they happen to make a few tweets (something that takes seconds) Have you tried contacting Ryan to discuss your concerns?
A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person who is enthusiastically devoted to something, such as a band, a sports team or entertainer. Collectively, fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. They may show their enthusiasm by being members of a fan club, holding fan conventions, creating fanzines, writing fan mail, or by promoting the object of their interest and attention.
I would suggest that you do not support the club, what you do only undermines what is trying to be achieved here.
Ignored "inconvenient truths??? What about the truths you have failed to acknowledge???
Did they not say it would take 3yrs to turn around???
Did they not say it would take time to turn the playing staff around???
If they did... why are you so obsessed with making destabilising comments like you do???
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| Sailing close to the wind-skating on thin ice-libel is king? The posts you post are not only very offensive but are strewn with inaccurate strings, which are confusing and irrelevant. You should check out the Trident scheme which was set up by the Government in many cities in the UK.
Trustees are not usually employed or indeed paid, Ian Greenwood and Gerry Sutcliffe are not on the board, one other Trustee is a Chief Inspector at West Yorkshire Police, all are volunteers.
I would suggest you find a good solicitor,
Particulary after one of your statements ie.
and The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.s
Quote ="BiffasBoys"I didn't put forward a theory, I pointed out facts. I didn't mention misappropriation. Khan & his people are, in my opinion, shysters & not to be trusted.
Go on the T&A website and search Bradford Trident. You'll see a nice picture of current Bradford Council leader David Green with among others Vipin Joshi in a piece about handing over public money & land to Trident.
Another Bulls board member, Ian Greenwood was employed by the same group. Khan down as a trustee too.
All on the board at Bulls who have an unsecured public money loan approved by David Green.
It's all out there in the public domain.'"
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| Quote ="Rarebreed"Sailing close to the wind-skating on thin ice-libel is king? The posts you post are not only very offensive but are strewn with inaccurate strings, which are confusing and irrelevant. You should check out the Trident scheme which was set up by the Government in many cities in the UK.
Trustees are not usually employed or indeed paid, Ian Greenwood and Gerry Sutcliffe are not on the board, one other Trustee is a Chief Inspector at West Yorkshire Police, all are volunteers.
I would suggest you find a good solicitor,
Particulary after one of your statements ie.
and The new regime at the Bulls is as rotten, more so with the political tie ups, as the old one that fleeced fans for £400k.s
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No libel has been committed. Where is the offence & who is offended?
Ian Greenwood was a paid employee. Joshi & Khan trustees. David Green pictured with Joshi & others when approving land & funding. ALL FACTS.
What is in any way inaccurate about the political tie ups at Odsal?
It stinks to high heaven that a Labour council loans public money to a club owned by the long time funder of the constituency Labour MP & has incestuous written all over it when said MP, his office manager, another Labour politician & former council leader are on the board alongside the owner who funds them.
Run along now,
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"I read all the RL forums. There are one or two on each forum who appear to speak with sense & balance on their own clubs. As far as this forum goes it was Adeybull in particular. I hadn't realised it was so long since he had posted, but the point of him being the most knowledgeable still stands.'"
A point you never made, "still stands". How odd!
And this glowing reference would be the reason why you mocked him with your "even he" jibe?
Truly pathetic.
Quote ="BiffasBoys"The HMRC issue has only surfaced in the last few days. That's what made me decide to join the site & the discussion on this thread.
Simple'"
I see. So determined were you to have your say, you immediately posted a stern question about ... World Cup ticket sales
But tbf you did then move on to the topic that inspired you to join and say your bit. Ooops, no. You then made a few banal posts about World Cup shirts and Leeds shirts
Yes, it really shows that was what made you join, I can see that now.
BTW you are discussing nothing. All you are doing is venting your spleen as you pursue some vendetta against the Bulls management.
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| I think this CLOWN as migrated from the T&A forum, he sounds suspiciously like a lunatic who posts there.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"A point you never made, "still stands". How odd!
And this glowing reference would be the reason why you mocked him with your "even he" jibe?
Truly pathetic.
I see. So determined were you to have your say, you immediately posted a stern question about ... World Cup ticket sales
But tbf you did then move on to the topic that inspired you to join and say your bit. Ooops, no. You then made a few banal posts about World Cup shirts and Leeds shirts
Yes, it really shows that was what made you join, I can see that now.
BTW you are discussing nothing. All you are doing is venting your spleen as you pursue some vendetta against the Bulls management.'"
How is referencing the knowledge of a poster & surmising that they may be disillusioned with events a mocking jibe?
The goings on at Bradford Bulls were the prompt for me to join. I hadn't realised I was only supposed to pass comment on them.
Deary me today, you're a weird one.
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| This is getting boring and tedious now, you are all just repeating the same information and poking holes in other peoples replies, lets just give it a rest.
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| Indeed. I just looked back on the thread briefly, and Biffer has completely ignored the following from M@islebugs:
Quote ="M@islebugs"Biffa, I've quite enjoyed you but you're beginning to stretch it. For example,
"Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation".
Which organisation?
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it?
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get?
Who is investigating?
What is being investigated?
Yours is an interesting thesis but I'm afraid it requires a tad more evidence than your offering. There can hardly be an adult in the country who doesn't have links to a club, charity, workplace where an investigation of some kind has taken place.'"
Answer came there none. Biffer won't do anything other than make dark hints, and slag people off. He is a waste of time and I agree there is nothing to be achieved by continuing this, except perhaps for fans of cryptic puzzles. Which I'm not.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Please note that anything remotely libellous will be removed and the poster warned or banned. RLFANS hasn't the cash to get involved in legal disputes.'"
Oh you're kidding.
I've got a cracker about Nigel Wood, Sue Pollard, a dwarf and two donkeys.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Indeed. I just looked back on the thread briefly, and Biffer has completely ignored the following from M@islebugs:
Answer came there none. Biffer won't do anything other than make dark hints, and slag people off. He is a waste of time and I agree there is nothing to be achieved by continuing this, except perhaps for fans of cryptic puzzles. Which I'm not.'"
If you would care to check, I named the organisation, those linked to it & employed by it that are at the Bulls, along with pointing out that the council official who signed off on a land & cash deal approved, for the very same people, a loan of public money for Bradford Bulls.
That you care not to look is a sign of your own malignancy & desire not to have to face reality.
Perhaps Khan & Co need to look at the honesty, open ness & transparency being shown by Wakefield Wildcats at present. that's how to do it.
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| Quote ="Stul"Oh you're kidding.
I've got a cracker about Nigel Wood, Sue Pollard, a dwarf and two donkeys.'"
I reckon Nige ate the lot of 'em. Am I right?
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"If you would care to check, I named the organisation, those linked to it & employed by it that are at the Bulls, along with pointing out that the council official who signed off on a land & cash deal approved, for the very same people, a loan of public money for Bradford Bulls.
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Which organisation? - You didn't answer.
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it? - You didn't answer.
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get? - You didn't answer.
Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
Quote ="BiffasBoys"That you care not to look is a sign of your own malignancy & desire not to have to face reality. '"
Nope, it's a sign that I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. If you have something to say, say it.
I would be interested for an explanation of what "my own malignancy" could possibly be, though?
And why it would be you think I have a "desire" not to "face reality" - what is this "reality" that I desire not to face, and can you spell it out, instead of your tiresome cryptic bullshiit?
Quote ="BiffasBoys"Perhaps Khan & Co need to look at the honesty, open ness & transparency being shown by Wakefield Wildcats at present. that's how to do it.'"
Or perhaps they need to look at the price of pork bellies in Zaire, for all the relevance it has to anything. "We have no money, we can't get any money, unless somebody else gives us money, we'll sell more players"? It is frank, but not my personal idea of what our club should be doing. Plus, that is more or less similar to what our previous regime did. That didn't go very well.
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I did
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it? - You didn't answer.
I did
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get? - You didn't answer.
Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
I pointed to where all the info could be found. It's all in the public domain. Why should I help anyone with their lack of knowledge?
Nope, it's a sign that I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. If you have something to say, say it.
I would be interested for an explanation of what "my own malignancy" could possibly be, though?
Pathetic jibe?
And why it would be you think I have a "desire" not to "face reality" - what is this "reality" that I desire not to face, and can you spell it out, instead of your tiresome cryptic bullshiit?
You can't handle the truth
Or perhaps they need to look at the price of pork bellies in Zaire, for all the relevance it has to anything. "We have no money, we can't get any money, unless somebody else gives us money, we'll sell more players"? It is frank, but not my personal idea of what our club should be doing. Plus, that is more or less similar to what our previous regime did. That didn't go very well
Who did the last lot sell? Pork bellies in Zairean? Bit like Sutcliffe's tripe about investment from Qatar!!
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I pointed to where all the info could be found. It's all in the public domain. Why should I help anyone with their lack of knowledge?
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You set homework for anyone reading your bilge, and don't get why that's barking?
As I said, I have better things to do than play your silly cryptic games. I repeat: if you have something to say, say it.
Quote ="BiffasBoys"You can't handle the truth '"
Fook me, he thinks he's Jack Nicholson. Actually, that is barking enough - and more - to satisfy me you've totally lost the plot. In the bin you go. Have a nice life.
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| Quote ="BiffasBoys"Ha ha. How can you expect to learn unless you go out & find the information? I don't include the Bulls website in that information stream
Say it? The Bulls are a club riddled with rotten politicians & their paymasters & will be a nothing side for years to come
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In what way are the people you refer to linked to it? - You didn't answer.
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get? - You didn't answer.
Who is investigating? - You didn't answer.
What is being investigated? - You didn't answer.
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1. Trident Bradford
2. Joshi & OK are directors of Trident, Greenwood was vice chair until he resigned
3. £50m of public funds
4. West Yorkshire Police
5. Allegations of fraud and misappropriation of funds
HTH.
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